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Aluminum pieces
« on: June 27, 2006, 09:47:19 AM »
Hello-Just a general question not related to cast iron.  Griswold and Wagner and other makers produced aluminum cookware.  Is aluminum collected as much as cast iron?  Does anyone have any pieces along with their cast iron?  I just got a cool aluminum juice reamer, star design made by Wagner.  Both the front and back are interesting.  Sorry, I can't post a picture.  I have seen it in one of the books (I think the blue book?).  Anyway, just curious.        Judy

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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2006, 10:34:07 AM »
oh yes, I collect aluminum pieces too, espeically the gem pans and skillets, as well as some griddles.
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2006, 11:49:19 AM »
I've got a bunch of Wagner aluminum and several Magnalite pieces the big Magnalite roasters are GREAT!! to cook in and when you can pick them up for the right price a nice addition to my Wagner collection
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 12:05:51 PM »
I've had a few aluminum pieces but never really got into them.  The gem pans are nice I think and many other pieces, too.  Only so much room, money, and it's hard in some areas to find good aluminum.
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 12:26:36 PM »
oh I forgot, toys too.
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2006, 01:38:48 PM »
Just a suggestion.  Maybe a separate posting site could be included on the forum for vintage aluminum.  I think it would be interesting and educational, these pieces were also made by Wagner and Griswold. It would be interesting to see pictures of good pieces and have auctions pointed out on Ebay like on cast iron.  Also, any fakes could be pointed out. Waddaya think?   :).  

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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 02:20:43 PM »
I love the kettles and especially utensils.  

This is one of those areas where it is Wagner all the way (ok, at least most of the way).  I have now a Sidney tea kettle, a Griswold colonial kettle, 3 wagner utensils, and a wagner coffee pot, and some generic antique aluminum skillets.  The cool thing about utensils is that if you are diligent at the flea market and sort through hundreds of items, they go for $1 apiece.  I'm always clanging around the utensil bins like some sort of deranged raccoon.

If you have been ignoring Wagner do check out their aluminum items -- they are beautiful and command decent prices.  Unfortunately, for some odd reason my oval roaster sold for nothing, probably because I couldn't say "not griswold" in the title.

The one thing that stinks about Aluminum is that it is a real pain to clean.  I tried the self cleaning oven, I tried boiling in cream of tarter.  It only takes you so far.  Also, the kettles tend to have calcium buildup which can be a pain.  I'm almost opting not to remove it and let it testify to antiqueness.  Both lye and electrolysis ravage aluminum.  Electro starts to destroy aluminum in about 15 minutes.  Turns it into mush.

If I get much more aluminum I might look into purchasing blasting equipment and walnut shells.  Something to put on the list.

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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 02:46:51 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270000467652&indexURL=1#ebayphotohosting    
  http://cgi.ebay.com/Wagner-Ware-Sidney-Magnalite-0-4265-P-aluminum-roaster_W0QQitemZ300000750945QQihZ020QQcategoryZ20630QQssPage      http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-WAGNER-WARE-10-QT-DUTCH-OVEN-WITH-TRIVET-4248-M_W0QQitemZ270001801688QQihZ017QQcategoryZ20630QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem         I hope this turned out-check these pieces.  Look nice!      
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2006, 03:06:02 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4443696590&indexURL=4#ebayphotohosting     Another one.  I'm not sure if the lid is original-doesn't look right to me.  However, I know nothing about aluminum, just going by the lids on the other pieces by comparison, that I listed previously.      Judy

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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2006, 03:26:12 PM »
Judy, I have another oval roaster if you are interested.  The ones you listed appear to be missing the trivet.  

I also have an extra large 4267 oval roaster, but missing trivet.  


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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2006, 03:28:01 PM »
On the Magnalite pieces the "P" after the catalog number has a significance and I don't remember what they told us at the Wagner tour.  Either it has to do with the alloy used of the time period I think.  There are new Magnalite pieces the same as the old ones but I think they are marked a little differently.

The cover on the Wagner oval roaster in your next post is the original.  You can tell by the group of concentric rings on the cover which was typical of Wagner do's in the 1930's-40's.  I'm surprised to see a plastic handle on the cover.  Must have been a high temp plastic to stand oven temperatures.

One think about aluminum pieces is that they have often lived rough lives and are hard to clean and can never really be brought back to close to new looking condition.  Many collectors polish them but my feeling is that they had a less bright looking finish when new than after hours of labor with a high shine polish.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2006, 05:07:22 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120001969411&indexURL=1#ebayphotohosting        I had to post just one more.   Wagnerware not on bottom?  I'm sure it's good?   Thank you all again!     Judy

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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2006, 05:08:30 PM »
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4443696590&indexURL=4#ebayphotohosting     Another one.  I'm not sure if the lid is original-doesn't look right to me.  However, I know nothing about aluminum, just going by the lids on the other pieces by comparison, that I listed previously.      Judy


That is Wagner "aluminum"   not Magnalite.   That is the #3 oval roaster.  The lid is right.   Over priced by double or a little more.   Some stuff don't go for much.   Some very expensive.   I have lots of Wagner aluminum and Magnalite.


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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2006, 05:10:55 PM »
I just keep asking questions!   :D  Is Magnalite the best quality aluminum of Wagnerware?

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2006, 05:14:01 PM »
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I just keep asking questions!   :D  Is Magnalite the best quality aluminum of Wagnerware?


Magnalite is the combination of magnesium and aluminum.   Magna  for magnesium and lite for how lite aluminum is.   It is very good.   Lots of people like the way it cooks.


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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2006, 05:20:15 PM »
Sorry-another one has rolled out of my head!   This cookware is still ok to cook with?  Nothing toxic about it? (Being it contains magnesium?)   I know people cooked with it years ago, but things are being brought out more today as far as being toxic.   Ex:  aesbestos in buildings.

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2006, 05:23:06 PM »
I believe that Wagner made a commercial grade of Magnalite for commercial kitchen use. You will see many commercial application aluminum pieces like large stockpots etc. from time to time as well. Most commercial kitchens utilize aluminum cookaware as that's what's available to the trades.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2006, 05:27:21 PM »
Phew!!  My brain is just about drained now!  You've all been very helpful and informative-my interest has piqued for aluminum now!  Thank you all.   ;D      Judy
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2006, 06:05:57 PM »
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Sorry-another one has rolled out of my head!   This cookware is still ok to cook with?  Nothing toxic about it? (Being it contains magnesium?)   I know people cooked with it years ago, but things are being brought out more today as far as being toxic.   Ex:  aesbestos in buildings.


Pure hysteria.  ::)  There is no evidence that aluminum causes alzheimers.  There are many links on the web about this.  Maybe Greg can shed some light on it.  

Of course Aluminum isn't good to ingest, but you probably get more aluminum from your deoderant or your drinking water than you ever would through a pan.  It is however best to aviod cooking acidic foods in aluminum cookware because it does dissolve substantially more aluminum than other foods.  

FYI, soda pop is highly acidic (pH 2.8) and and it comes in aluminum cans -- nobody ever complains about it.

Here is the government position on aluminum (note what it states about cookware):

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts22.html
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Re: Aluminum pieces
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2006, 06:47:54 AM »
I did a large post on the forum one time on aluminum and Alzheimer's.  (see if it is still here by searching on Alzheimer's).

There is not proof that aluminum has any link with Alzheimer's.
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