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Offline Clark Rader

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wich came first, turkey or the egg
« on: November 26, 2008, 12:01:15 PM »
I have here a #7 what ?
raised  ( J ) on the handle;
(WAPAK) top and center;
above wapak ("ERIE");
below wapak (arch) (WAGNER);
below that one or two gate marks?;
inside one of the gate marks is a stamped #3, don't know if u can see it?;
and of course that fancy (#7);
at 5:00 3/4 down is that erie pattern makers mark, witch mark?

WHO was the first and last maker of this skillet, I wont dates (TOO)
Perry don't ruin a good story by telling the turth.
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Offline Clark Rader

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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 12:20:17 PM »
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 05:46:03 PM »
That's one of those Wapawageries. [smiley=bananax.gif]
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 07:40:12 PM »
looks to be a Frankenstein skillet, but heck.! looks good to me [smiley=shocking.gif]
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 07:55:09 PM »
I do believe the mold/pattern has "Been 'round tha horn" as my ol' Daddy use to say... ;)
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 11:35:00 PM »
Well, I think it started out with Griswold, and then Griswold changed the "ERIE" and went to something totally new, you can see this from the time line in the BB. And then I'd say Wagner got this pattern, and used it awhile and then sold it to Wapak who modified the pattern to fit their own needs. The raised J is interesting. Bear in mind that Wapak went out of business in 1935 or there abouts, and all their, already modified, patterns went somewhere, probably to several manufacturers at that time. It would be interesting to see just who was in business after 1935, that could have possible wound up with the Wapak patterns. We know, or can assume, that Wagner or Griswold did not want them back, so, they probably went to small foundries all over the US at that time. I'm saying this sounds plausible.
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2008, 01:12:01 PM »
I put to the tape to the pan and it is 9 5/8", not counting the pour spouts and that could be a second series. I just asume that the first casting was a "ERIE" ?

I taped a #7 third series "erie" with pattern # ? And it read 9 3/4"

Has anybody got a (arch) "WAGNER" like this one ? And what does it tape at?

And the same with the WAPAK ?
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008, 01:17:17 PM »
Got a simple question...... if the same pattern was used, but then modified to make Griswold, Wagner and then WAPAK..... does a Griswold #7 lid fit this pan?
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 04:33:43 PM »
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Got a simple question...... if the same pattern was used, but then modified to make Griswold, Wagner and then WAPAK..... does a Griswold #7 lid fit this pan?


Does a Griswold #7 lid fit the early ERIE skillets????


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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 04:56:35 PM »
I've got a #9 Griswold lid (1099 A).  It fits my #9 ERIE skillet (ribbed handle) just fine.  
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 08:18:57 PM »
Hey Clark, I happen to have an arched Wagner but I'm in DE and the pan is in PA so i can't get that measurement right this moment. I'll be home Sunday and can let you know. Hows that sound? OOPS, wait a minute. My Wag is an 10 or 11. Oh great, I'm getting so much iron I can't remember what I have.
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 08:21:28 PM »
Actually  thought you were joking until I saw the pic of the piece. ;D ;D Lee described it best. A frankenstien skillet. ;)
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 08:37:31 PM »
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Got a simple question...... if the same pattern was used, but then modified to make Griswold, Wagner and then WAPAK..... does a Griswold #7 lid fit this pan?



Yes it will, I don't have the pan or a lid, but am quite sure it will, because the later made Griswold skillet covers do fit, and quite nicely, the earlier "ERIE" skillets.
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2010, 07:23:40 PM »
Clark, Greg posted a very good question there. So if we/you don't have a number 7 Griswold skillet cover, lets find one and see if it will fit that skillet. I know we talk about a lot of subjects, like this one, and then they just go to the wayside, but of course thats because something comes along and takes their place.  ;D
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 09:00:54 PM »
This #7 is 9-3/4" not measuring the ears. Not sure if it is the same Wagner as yours, probably newer. Neat piece Clark. Someone was busy, two gatemarks! If you were going to make a bottomgated copy of a skillet why would you leave a second ghostmark and a second gatemark? If only that skillet could talk. Does it have a shield molders mark as well?
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 09:15:03 PM »
Hello Dwayne, what you are calling two gatemarks on the bottom of Clarks skillet, I would not call that gatemarks, put another way, they don't look like gatemarks to me, I don't know, they might be, but I sure would not call them that. Clark can probably tell if there was a side gate on the piece, by the grinding.
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 09:53:30 PM »
I was going by his description that it had 2 gatemarks below the wapak and wagner
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 10:01:05 PM »
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I was going by his description that it had 2 gatemarks below the wapak and wagner

Yes, I see what you mean Dwayne.  :)
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 11:24:39 PM »
I wouldn't think the skillet was poured thru the bottom and still be able to keep ghost marks that strong. What say Clark, is the skillet poured thru the sides? And Perry. not to nit pick but I think WAPAK went belly up in '26.
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Re: wich came first, turkey or the egg
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 11:31:00 PM »
FWIW I have used Griswold skillet lids on all series of Erie skillets and they fit just fine.  If indeed this was made from an original Griswold pattern then it should fit this piece??
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