Author Topic: What is ATF? (Read 12284 times)

wmlw4 · « **on:** December 04, 2007, 09:15:40 PM »

Hi there! I am thinking of bidding on an toy stove called American ATF - I haven't heard of it yet so part of my newbie learning process. Can you help?
Thank you! :)

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2007, 11:00:28 PM »

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Hi there! I am thinking of bidding on an toy stove called American ATF - I haven't heard of it yet so part of my newbie learning process. Can you help?
Thank you! :)

Well Marylou, like all things out here, there are fakes in the toy stove department too. Before I bought a toy stove I'd do a lot of research and a lot of lookin if I was you. I have no idea what "American ATF" is. But I would just imagine that there is a toy stove forum on the inter net, just about like what we got here. Some of the cast iron manufacturers did build toy stoves, real toy stoves, and some of them are quite valuable. For instance, the Favorite Toy Stove, "Dollys Favorite" I have seen that in black porcelain, blue porcelain, gray porcelain, and a kind of greenish porcelain, and plain black cast iron and nickel trim. But some of the older manufacturers did build them as well, back in the 1800's, but as far as specifics, I am at a loss.

wmlw4 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 05, 2007, 01:18:25 AM »

Thanks Guys! I have really wanted one of these and noticed a lot of the fakes and repros, but I did a little research on this one at Kovels Antiques and feel pretty confident about it - I hope! ::)I'll let you know when I get it ;D Now I can move on tho another obsession - Like that Spider ;) ( I can't find a little smiley for 'dream on!')

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2007, 12:03:14 AM »

Well, its good to hear from you Marylou. Glad you are still enjoying the forum. What kind of stove did you get? Is it a big stove? Is it a little stove? How big, how little? Whats the name of it? Did you buy it off ebay or an individual? SEE, all kinds of questions. Is it anything like this?

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2007, 12:20:06 AM »

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I'll trade ya ;D Mine's just a toy salesman's sample with the toys, wanna trade?????

I probably don't wanna trade Marylou, but this one probably ain't as big as what you think. It is a real working stove though and theres toys with it too. It probably weighs 60 to 70 pounds I'd say. Its a GF Filley Charter Oak.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2007, 09:17:42 AM »

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I love it! Now I see the 'toys' down next to it :o I'd love to run across one of those nearby :) Is that the little firestarter down next to it like the one I was asking about a while back? It kinda looks like it - See, there's sumthin I learned here ;)

Marylou, my you are observant. I have looked at that picture plenty of times and never even see the toys there off to the side, or if I did, I don't remember it. No, thats not a fire starter thing. I do have a picture of the toys that came with it though.

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2007, 10:52:02 AM »

Well Marylou, your stove is listed in the Toy Cook Stoves & Ranges Book by Schiffer. However out of all the stoves in the book it is one that is not pictured. Here is some of what it say's, American: Range with black finish, the initials ATF on the oven door. Does not say what ATF stands for tho. Noted in two sizes both have two side shelves and a back piece with stove pipe. The" American" resembles the "Crescent"range of this size by Grey Iron Casting CO., except for the door. The smaller size also appears to have been cast from Grey Iron patterns. Possibly Grey Iron mfgr., or a successor. Large stove 13-1/2" long $200 -$300,,,, small 9-1/2"long $75- 100. Thats all the info they give in this book. One would think they would know what ATF stood for. American Toy Foundry??? With the research you did you probably know most of what I said already.......ED

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2007, 07:32:25 AM »

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Thanks Ed! I am wondering if what you found in the book includes the 'toys' - Mine should be coming with about 8 pieces, an iron, iron trivet, coal bucket, shovel etc... Is that normally part of the 'set' with one of these?
I'm actually beginning to wonder if I will ever get it :'(
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With some style stoves the toys came with, the more fancier styles, others did not...ED

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:03:40 PM »

Well Marylou, here's the toys.
It is true, I bought these toys "with this stove". However, I am of the opinion that these toys were not made to be a part of this stove at all. The reason being is that this stove was made in the 1870's to 1880's, and the parts on it, and there are several as you imagine, are all bottom gated as certainly was the custom at the time with a lot of places. HOWEVER, none of these toys are bottom gated. SO, I think the toys were made much much later. SO, yes the toys came with the stove, BUT, with a huge caveat. Anyway, here they are.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2007, 10:06:20 PM »

OH, OH, I forgot to post the bottom of the toys, SO, I will do that now. I hope Michelle ain't seein this. She's probably out deer hunting or killing a hog or sumpin anyway. Heres the bottom of them toys. If any of you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them. ;)

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:02:42 PM »

Hubley did die cast a part number into their pots and pans for a certain period of years,but the practice was not consistent. Likewise, G.F. Filley of St. Louis gave his stove accessories a "G"number, which accompanied the "Charter Oak" stoves.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2007, 11:12:29 PM »

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Hubley did die cast a part number into their pots and pans for a certain period of years,but the practice was not consistent. Likewise, G.F. Filley of St. Louis gave his stove accessories a "G"number, which accompanied the "Charter Oak" stoves.

So Ed, are you saying you think these toys were made for this stove? I mean, that would be very nice but I don't really know myself. I am just saying that based upon what I know, I'd have to say they were not, BUT, it wouldn't make me mad to be wrong. ;D

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:10:11 AM »

Yes Perry made for that stove. Theres a pic of your stove in the Stove toy book with the toy cookware you show, and it says they are marked "G" with a number. I found two of the 3 legged kettles today marked G9,very nice casting.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:15:35 AM »

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Yes Perry made for that stove. Theres a pic of your stove in the Stove toy book with the toy cookware you show, and it says they are marked "G" with a number. I found two of the 3 legged kettles today marked G9,very nice casting.

Wow Ed, thats good news. BUT Ed, how do you account for the fact that these toys are not bottom gated? :-/ Of course now we do know that there were companies, at that time, making side gated pieces. For instance the "ERIE" was from around 1870 or so and it is side gated. Oh Ed, in your book where the toys are listed and shown, is this the whole set that I have here or is there an extra, or whats the deal?

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:32:25 AM »

All I can say is they are side gated, the pieces I have are. Bottom gate??? JOEL??? The cookware is on top of the stove,I count 8 pieces you show 7. Looks as tho theres a flat bottom DO that you are missing. They also show the tea kettle which you have. Perry if yer gonna get into collecting these stoves ya oughta ask Santa for the book. ;)

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:44:46 AM »

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All I can say is they are side gated, the pieces I have are. Bottom gate??? JOEL??? The cookware is on top of the stove,I count 8 pieces you show 7. Looks as tho theres a flat bottom DO that you are missing. They also show the tea kettle which you have. Perry if yer gonna get into collecting these stoves ya oughta ask Santa for the book. ;)

Ed, you're probably right about that book. ;) And I just don't know about "get into collecting these stoves", MAN, cast iron is high enough. I'd hate to think about getting into "collecting" these stoves. I feel very lucky just to have what I do have. Where's the best place to get one of them books anyway?

Ed Allspaugh · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2007, 01:03:05 AM »

Greg may carry them check his site. Bought mine from Dave in Sidney. They got lots of beautiful stoves, ya better git yer drool cup out when ya start lookin at it.

C. B. Williams · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2007, 07:16:45 AM »

Perry: I have a thought or two. It has been established that the times of bottom gates and side gates overlapped a number of years. So, I don't think that saying one thing is bottom gated and another is side gated, therefore they don't go together is conclusive. Another thing, I am sure the production of that little stove was not in vast numbers, therefore the molds would have lasted much longer. And, with the parts of the little stove, it wouldn't matter if it was side or bottom gated.
What that amounts to is: I'm not saying they were made as a set, I am saying they could have been made as a set. Just an opinion, and that's about all we have or ever will have about a lot of our old cast iron pieces. C B

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2007, 11:22:16 AM »

Thanks for sharing your thoughts C.B. What you say about the overlap does make sense. I am sure there was no decree put out about bottom gated pieces being discontinued for all future production.

C. Perry Rapier · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2007, 11:28:52 AM »

Here is a Toy GF Filley teakettle. It does not go with this stove or set of toys because its too big. It looks big here but it sits easily in the palm of your hand, but it looks like a giant when you set it with the other pieces.

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Author Topic: What is ATF? (Read 12284 times)

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