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LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« on: November 28, 2007, 10:26:34 AM »
Hi Folks:  Is there a difference in flame temperature between LP and Natural Gas for cooking?  If so which is hotter, and what are some of the issues that may be incountered.

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Ed

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 10:58:46 AM »
Edward, try Googleing Propane vs Natural Gas.  I have used both for BBQ'ing and feel that Propane is the hotter of the two.

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 11:02:01 AM »
Ed I would think the only heat difference would be if there is a size or btu output difference in the burners.  If there is some difference just adjust the flame. I've used both high and low base waffle irons on both natual gas and LP.  My LP camp stove has a smaller burner so have to turn it up a little higher than my home natural gas stove.  Mike

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 04:47:14 PM »
There's a big difference in the BTU's per cubic foot between natural gas and propane.  I couldn't find which burns hotter, just which has more energy per unit volume.

First, Natural gas is a mixture of hydrocarbon gasses, but is about 3/4's methane which is the lightest hydrocarbon with only one carbon atom per molecule.  Propane is a purified hydrocarbon with three carbon atoms per molecule.  There is some propane in matural gas, but basically you can consider it to be methane.

Natural gas varies a fair amount depending where it comes from and also the temperature when it was extracted.  Propane is pretty much the same everywhere.  LP gas is mostly propane and can be considered the same for most purposes.

Now the figures:  Natural as has around 1000 - 1100 BTU's per cubic foot while propane (gaseous) has about 2500 BTU's per cubic foot.  

To switch between fuels, the metering jet or nozzle has to be changed.  You can't use these two fuels interchangeably.  Almost any gas burner can be modified to handle either and you can often buy a kit from the manufacturer to make the change.  The heat output of a burner is a factor of the fuel itself and the volume of gas delivered, so Mike's smaller LP burner is probably delivering quite a bit lower volume of gas than his natural gas range.

Natural gas is for the most part, pumped out of the ground and cleaned up a little before it heads out in a pipeline.  Propane is purified from natural gas or from refined oil, then stored and shipped in containers.  For this reason, even though propane has more BTU's per volume, oit is costlier to manufacture and is therefore more expensive per BTU than natural gas.

Probably more information than you needed, but I looked it all up so I thought I'd share.
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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 07:00:38 PM »
All that information is very interesting Jim, thanks for looking it up.  :)

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 07:37:50 PM »
Jim, that is interesting.  I had no idea there was that much difference in heat output per cubic foot.  I did know that you need to set your stove/heater etc.  different for natural gas or LP.

I'm one of those that if I need more heat (natural gas or LP) I just open it up some, if I need less I just close it down some.
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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 04:03:42 AM »
I had one of our local L P gas companies to install my indoor gas grill. It was made for propane. It came with a drill bit to use to bore out the jets if the grill was used for natural gas.
Now, I could be wrong, but I think the actual flame temp. is very near the same with either gas. I think, with the larger jet for natural, it just uses a bit more gas.
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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 06:58:02 AM »
Hi Al, Mike, Jim, Perry, C.B., and Duke:
Thanks for the very complete look at the question of LP Vs natural Gas.  All of this information and your experience will be of great help when I talk with family and friends who are just starting to try cooking on their Christmas gifts.
Thanks again, and Merry Christmas,
Ed

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007, 03:49:20 PM »
Ed, switching from NG to LP (or, vice versa) can be done. How easy it'd is depends on the model of the stove. On the later model C all yo had to change was the mixer pin (some even came with a universal pin), on the earlier B's you had to change the mixer pin and the burners. Not hard and it CAN be done... just have to find the proper burners. They show up on Ebay on a fairly regular basis. On the earliest model A's... I can't tell you. I'm sure it can be done but, I'm not what is involved in that. Also, finding parts for an A is not easy. It CAN be done... but, they aren't as common and parts for the B and C.

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 10:26:29 AM »
Sandy, the model B and C are roughly the same size. They come in at a whopping 37" wide. Mmost of the model A's are the same. But, some of the earliest models are quite different. Typical looking early gas stove with long graceful legs.

The burners ROCK!

The burners are all the same size. With the except of one version of the Model C which is the 41C it came with four burners and no thermowell.



This is the 6 jet burner that comes on the 41C, the other burners (standard on all Model C's) has 4 jets.


You see the size difference between the regular and larger fourth burner.


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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 10:36:04 AM »
Wow, those gas burners look neat. People who are able to have gas stoves are lucky. There ain't nothing like cooking with gas. Does anybody remember that ole sayin, you know, its like, "now you're cookin with gas". Does anybody remember that? Its supposed to mean like yes, NOW, you're gettin'er done.

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 11:20:03 AM »
Thanks, Michelle... now I really want one.  Love the burners... have to be more efficient than today's larger single jet burners.  You could use lower heat and get better distribution, right?  Are the drip plates/grates one piece or two?  Are they easy to keep clean or fairly difficult?  I could ask a million questions but I won't (right now anyway). :D
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 11:42:44 AM »
I agree with Perry that cooking with gas is the ONLY way to go.

Sandy... yes, the burners are great. Very efficient... much better heat distribution. The grates and drip pans are two pieces. They are quite easy to clean. Now, I say that because the ones you see pictures I had reporcelained. So, they are nice and smooth... easy to clean. Now, if they had a rought finish I would imagine they are harder to clean.

Doesn't cost much to have them re-done. There is a place in Kansas and one in Los Angeles that does this type of work... I BELIEVE that it runs about $12 for each piece.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 02:55:52 PM »
How neat. I didn't know you could get them reporcelained! I may have to do that. I am worried about mine from my Detroit Vapor rusting away to nothing. Yours look so pretty.

I think the only thing that could persuade me to give up my Detroit Vapor would be a Chambers with the thermowell. OR if I can ever convince my church to sell me the ancient Viking double range/oven that lurks in the corner of the kitchen. I think the church was probably built around it, though, so I don't know how one would get it out of there.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 03:53:21 PM »
Maria, I'd have to say that a Chambers would be a better stove than the Viking. Even an older Viking. I need to find the article about how the Viking came into being when the inventor couldn't find a CHAMBERS stove for his wife.

This is a great place to get the burners done. I was wrong on the price... $14.50 for each piece. Well worth it in my book.

http://www.ipe-porcelain.com/

ALL YOU NON STOVE FOLKS OUGHT TO CHECK OUT THE HOME PAGE OF THE WEBSITE ABOVE. LOL! It's amazing how this stuff all comes together.

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 04:05:32 PM »
Well I just had a DUH!!!! moment!

I'm restoring that old Frigidaire refrigerator... was saving so that I could re-chrome all the shelves. Now, I'm thinking that I'll have them done in porcelain! No, it's not the original finish but, it will be SO much cheaper! Easy to clean and will wear very well!

I'm so excited!

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 04:23:44 PM »
Michelle, Couple questions about the 41C (four burners, no thermowell)...  do all four burners have six jets?  Or just one and four jets on the other three?  Also, how common is this model?
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 04:34:08 PM »
Sandy...on the 41C only the fourth burner, that replaces the thermowell has the six jet burner. Now, that is a kick a$$ burner. But, I've got to tell you , when you get the 4 jet burners adjusted properly they are AWESOME!

The 41C is not very common. Might see 3 per year on Ebay. They ARE out there. But, don't let having three burners turn you away. That big griddle can fill in as a burner. Or, just a warming plate.

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Re: LP Gas Vs Natural Gas
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 05:08:48 PM »
Michelle, I don't see a link to the home page of the porcelain place. I have a natural gas furnace here, so gas is available to me, and I could have my kitchen stove switched from electric to gas, so short of my real dream right now, which is a kitchen big enough for two stoves, a gas one and a coal/wood one, so Michelle, if I decided to do this would you help me find a cadillac chambers stove?  :)

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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2007, 05:42:28 PM »
http://www.ipe-porcelain.com/

Here's the link Perry.... and, Of COURSE I'd be happy to help you find a stove!