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Offline Dwayne Henson

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Sidney Skillet
« on: September 06, 2007, 09:33:48 PM »
Just noticed something I hadn't seen before. I have a #11 Sidney that has a ghost mark of a pair of quotation marks and then a smudge on the casting. I happened to have a #11 "Wagner" that is exact to the Sidney. After looking them over I am convinced that the "Wagner" skillet pattern was used to cast this Sidney skillet. Does anyone else have Sidney Skillets of this series, and do they have evidence of ghost marks? The Sidney Photo is not the best, but look at the writings position, see how the Wagner would fit above the Sidney? That is where a light "smudge" is. The quotation marks are 10:00 from the S in Sidney. I am curious to see if this entire series of Sidney has ghost marks. Also can anyone give me any info on the straight lined "Wagner" series? Thanks Dwayne
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 09:34:31 PM »
Here is the "Wagner",  I do not find it in the books.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2007, 10:35:54 PM »
Dwayne,

Page 233 of the "blue book" shows a #2 skillet marked like your second skillet ("SIDNEY") and the comments say it is believed that Wagner used the mark after purchasing Sidney Hollow Ware" -- so that would seem to rule out "WAGNER" being on a "SIDNEY" skillet.  Am I saying/thinking right on that?

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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 10:40:15 PM »
I need to read and re-read my messages -- I seem to get them backwards every time.  Your second skillet was marked "WAGNER" and not "SIDNEY" -- making the "SIDNEY" an older piece than the "Wagner", so it would not be likely that a "SIDNEY" skillet would be ghost-marked "WAGNER".

Maybe you can figure what I'm saying...too late at night.

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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 11:12:26 PM »
I see the smudge where the Wagner logo was filled on most of my Sidney skillets. Can see ghost -O-s on some also. Don't know if ya can see anything in these pix, but heres a couple.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 11:15:05 PM »
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 11:17:31 PM »
You can see a ghost -O- on this 9 skillet.  Maybe?
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 11:19:43 PM »
Wagner & Sidney 10s
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 11:20:52 PM »
Thanks Ed, I have had those two skillets for years, and never noticed the ghost marks, or that they were basically the same pan before. Glad to see other sizes had it as well. I am going to assume that the smaller sizes are the same.
Nice Skillets.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 11:22:07 PM »
Wagner& Sidney handles. See the dots next to the 10? These are a pretty good match.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 11:26:11 PM »
Pretty good match! That's amazing! On my two, check out the reinforcing rib on the handle, both have the same notch on them.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2007, 11:29:36 PM »
Ed; Your pair of 10's and my pair of 11's out to get together. Why don't you send those 10's to my house, so they can see their long lost #11 cousins? When they're done visiting, I'll send them back to you.
Seriously now, do you have any dates on the Straight line "Wagner" skillets. I can't find anything in the books.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2007, 11:33:01 PM »
That seems to be a common notch on these . Look at my Sidney 11 and the Wagner 10, they have it also.  I haven't  tried to date any of these skillets. When you guy's figure it out, let me know.
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2007, 11:44:11 PM »
Strange thing about this Wagner 10 is there are no grind marks around the edge. Theres a indentation in the bottom that runs from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock ,like it was bottom gated. Faintly shows in the pic, but it's there. Strange?
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2007, 11:51:26 PM »
Ed
Started looking at that #11 Wagner of mine after reading your last post, and that Wagner of mine has a ghost mark underneath the Wagner.  A smudge and then very faintly: EY. I am confused now, which came first the Wagner or the Sidney? Why would both pans have the other ones ghost mark on it? Does your Wagner have a Sidney ghost mark as well?
My Wagner has grind marks around the edge
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 11:56:06 PM »
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Ed; Your pair of 10's and my pair of 11's out to get together. .
Hey you big bruisers, got some room for a couple of 8's at your party or am I too small?

Some photos:  Here is a straight WAGNER.

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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2007, 11:57:30 PM »
Steve underneath the Wagner is there any sign of a ghost mark, or smudge where Sidney might have been?
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2007, 11:57:42 PM »
Now which is the older pan, the one just above or this pan with curved WAGNER?  Both pans are the same size and have the handle reinforcing boss which tells me that they are the earliest of the Wagner skillets but which is earlier?  

Both these pans, by the way, are nickel plated with most of the plating gone.  I don't know what percentage of early pans that Wagner plated; I just happen to like these due to the polished outside.

Steve
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2007, 12:01:43 AM »
Steve would the fact that my straight "Wagner" has a Sidney ghost mark below it give you any clue? Or does that just muddy the waters?
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Re: Sidney Skillet
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2007, 12:03:42 AM »
And here's an "original" Sidney skillet from the orignial Sidney Hollow Ware Co. before Wagner acquired them.   Note the ERIE ghost mark.   I think this script marking is the older with the SIDNEY HOLLOW WARE CO. in block letters being newer.  The Wagner made SIDNEY pans would be later than the block Sidney Hollow Ware pans and after Wagner bought the Sidney Hollow Ware foundry to give them more production capacity.

Do you all have a copy of the c.1908 Sidney Ware catalog that WAGS reprinted?  This is Wagner "Sidney" stuff and all the pieces in it look just like their Wagner counterparts.

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