Sidney Hollow Ware dutch oven

[Steve_Stephens]

Does anyone have one of these?  I bought an old No.9 dutch oven last month that I think might be Sidney Hollow Ware but I am reluctant to remove the great patina from the pan to check if it is marked.  The cover is flat and much like early ERIE or Wagner.  The handles on the pot are squared (sort of) and without the cross bar for a bail (no bail on the pot) looking down from the top.  Inside the cover and under the pot is a "9".

I think I remember a Sidney Hollow Ware dutch oven on ebay several months ago and think it looked like my pot.  Does anyone have one and can post a photo of the pot to help me identify my pot?

Thanks,
Steve

[Will Person]

Sorry Steve,  I don't.   But I will keep an eye open for one.   I have a flat bottom kettle and some skillets and a regular kettle.   But no DO.


Will Person Jr. 8-)

[Jerry Cermack]

I bought an old No.9 dutch oven last month that I think might be Sidney Hollow Ware but I am reluctant to remove the great patina from the pan to check if it is marked.  /quote]
Steve, I'm curious?  Are you talking about baked on crud as in nasty that can fill in and obscure a name on cast iron?

I bought a Wagner skillet recently and you could not tell it even had a name it was so cruddy on the bottom, until I cleaned it off. I know people like different things, and do you like your skillets that way?

[Steve_Stephens]

Jerry,
It's NICE crud.  Not too thick but thick enough to obscure any markings (I think).  I see the "9" plainly so maybe there aren't any more markings.  Thinking of bringing the do to convention.  It's too pretty and with a nice, smooth buildup of old cooking oils to clean-at least for me.  More and more I am liking my pans dirty.  But with a nice dirt that makes the pan look very well cared for and used.
Steve

[Will Person]

Steve,  all this talk about your #9 made me think of an unmarked #9 that I have.   Any ideas???   She is chromed.  

Will Person Jr. 8-)

[Will Person]

inside lid

[Will Person]

bottom of bottom

[Will Person]

inside of bottom.  fully polished

[Duke Gilleland]

My Granny's best skillet had that nice crud on it. As a "pup", I always wondered why she never cleaned all that stuff off. Now I know why her fried meat tasted sooooo great!

[Jerry Cermack]

My Granny's best skillet had that nice crud on it. As a "pup", I always wondered why she never cleaned all that stuff off. Now I know why her fried meat tasted sooooo great!

Well, I'm trying to learn at an old age, but here goes another question.  Duke, if the skillet is coated with baked on crud on the outside, does that affect the taste of meat cooked on the inside?.......Inquiring minds need to know... ;D

[Steve_Stephens]

Will, is that pot marked Sidney Hollow Ware on the bottom?  Like my pot, I can make out the "9" but no other writing.  Is the pot nickel plated?  Interesting treatment of the handle where there are those two under cover bosses where a loop handle would go and the knob.  Do you think the knob has been added?  Any evidence of a loop handle having ground off the top?

My pot's handles don't have the cross piece that the bail hangs on to nor the depressions where the bail nests when flopped down on the pot.  It would be easy to strip the pot to see what writing might be there but it looks better with the happy crud on it.  Very smooth crud on the inside and outside and not thick and crusty like so often found.  Thanks for posting the photos.

One more thing; the "9" on top of the cover is unusual.

Steve

[Will Person]

Steve,  totaly unmarked.  Don't see any ghost marks.  She is chrome plated.   No evidence of any grinding of handle at all on the top.   The top knob reminds me of the ones Wagner used.   But I don't know if Wagner  ever chromed D.O.'s    She was cheap at a antique store.

The only DO's that don't have a cross piece for a bail is Vollrath.   They put the bail on opposite handle corners.   I think there older stuff had flat lids.


Will Person Jr. 8-)

[Steve_Stephens]

Will, look on p.31 of the L-W little red Wagner book.  That looks just like your do.  Says it's chromed but it would be nickel.  Chrome wasn't commercially used until the 1926 Oldsmobile.  Wish I could see the underside of the cover on that do in the little red book to see if it is like yours.  Wagner did nickel many of it very early pieces.

The picture attached is of a very early ERIE do, no pattern number.  The handles on my do are the same but not cross bar.

Steve

[Will Person]

Wow,  I don't know if I have seen those handles.   Or I just didn't pay close enough attention.   Will have to find my L-W books.


Will Person Jr. 8-)

[Roger Barfield]

Steve, you may want to leave the crud on the bottom.  I put this one in the lye water after I bought it at a garage sale.  The crud was 1/4" thick and no markings were visible.  

[Roger Barfield]

The lid

[Roger Barfield]

top view

[Steve_Stephens]

I no longer think the do that started this thread is a Sidney Hollow Ware but might be a very early Griswold or Selden & Griswold.  Have started another thread here-
http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1123553568

Note the width of the outer part of the cover just outside the part that goes down into the pot compared with the the width of the same part on the cover Roger posted above.  Quite a difference.

Steve

[Will Person]

That is what I was thinking.   But did Wagner ever chrome there dutch ovens?


Will Person Jr. 8-)

[Greg Stahl]

That is what I was thinking.   But did Wagner ever chrome there dutch ovens?


Will Person Jr. 8-)

Only nickel, if I remember Steve correctly.