For Derrek and Geoff

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Seems you enjoyed making us drool all over your fine camp ovens I though I would return the favor.

Griswold had several variations of markings over the years and you can see it in most of their pieces. But, here a piece you don't see it on to often. In fact I'm gonna venture a guess that it is the first time anyone on this board has seen it.

Here are three Griswold Camp ovens that show the progressions over the years. Notice they are all #8's


The first is an ERIE and is marked wiht the Typical Pattern Number and size. Note the lid only has the PN and no location or other markings which IMO is typical of the early ERIE.

[Troy_Hockensmith]

#2 is a slant ERIE Model and you'll that ERIE and the Griswold logo has been added to both the top and bottom.

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Oh I meant to say that the PN on the last one is a833 which is typical of the regular DO.

on this last one note they went with a PN of 178 which aligns it to the numbering series of the 180 #10 we see so much of and that the logo went to block and they added the ERIE PA USA, Patent info and Tite top DO.

[Mike Bohannon]

Troy, from pic 2 to pic 3 Gris changed the bottom but left the tops the same, if I'm looking at the pictures correctly?  Slant Griswold on both tops but slant  on the bottom of second and block on the third bottom?  Mike

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Mike,

 That's correct. Actually, I've never seen any griswold campoven lid with a Block lettering. Too be honest, you don;t see many bottoms either. I have  had a 9 and 10 and Just aquired this 8 to fill out that set. Now I need an ERIE 9 and 10 to fil those out if you got any spares laying around. I might have an ERIE #9 Bottom in the Garage but I think it needs a lid. I know I have a #179 #9 An I know it needs a lid.

Now keep in mind when Wagner took over they had their own marking plans for these ovens but these just cover the actual Griswold ERIE produced ovens.

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Mike,
 You got me thinking on what I have and haven't seen and  I have seen a lid with a block logo. Infact so has everyone on this sight if you have a red book page 147. Everything about that lid is oddball. THe Block Logo and the Term "flange Cover" is what I call exceptions and suspect they are transitional and I've never seen another since. That one is in my collection as well.  

 Another piece I consider an exception is this slant logo PN 180 #10. It seems they were taking a slant ERIE PN 835 #10 and trying to convert it into what became the the 180 Block logo piece. Steve Stevens sent me this picture years ago and I've been on the look out ever since and have yet to see one.
 I'm happy to report all examples discussed so far are in my collection except this one and Steve had no idea who's it was or where he had got the picture. The search continues.
 I'd like to also add that Larry Foxx has an ERIE #11 that is a regular DO (W/O legs ) with a Flange style ERIE lid. Marriage? Possible= i think so. Probable= I think they could have came from the factory that way.

 Bottom line, CO's were not produced in the quantities that DO's were and You just don't see as many CO's as you do Regular DO's. Where and why these exceptions exsist is anyones guess. Maybe as time passes and we see more examples the haze will clear.

Oh and here is the #10 Slant 180 I promised

[Mike Bohannon]

Thanks Troy, not much info in the books on CO's so all you add is great!  Maybe more info/pics will show up after this thread. More out stuff out there just need to find it and then and put it all together.  Mike

[Pipswich]

I have a block logo 310 #10 Camp Oven base with a slant logo lid.  It sounds like it's original and the base is scarce?

[Roger Barfield]

Tommy, the #310 was made in Sidney Ohio after Wager purchased Griswold and their patterns. They lack the Erie Pa, Usa on the base and the lid will be missing the Erie.  The slant Griswold lid minus the Erie and pattern number is correct for it.  They show up on ebay quite often.

Troy, so as I'm looking at the markings, they followed the skillets.  Erie, then slant Griswold with Erie, then slant Griswold EPU, then block.  That's really something to see them laid out in a row so to speak.  Thanks for posting.

[Pipswich]

Gotcha!  I see the difference now.  The camp ovens are not handled well enough in the books.  Many thanks Troy for making this clearer.  I have been hesitant to try and collect them or the early regular dutch ovens because they seem very tricky.  Maybe I will take the plunge after while, LOL.  

[personalitee]

Lovely lovely stuff Troy...what would be the ages on them from the top down???

Geoff

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Too Late Perry!!! Mike is right, there is little known on the CO's and evertime I have a breakthough that adds to the knowledge base I get a little excited.

Actually I was pretty excited when I got the Block #8 as it put together a set that still might be missing a slant EPU.
Geoff,
 I can never remember off the top of my head what the date transitions were. Can someone with the books handy post em up. I woul dcomment though that the when you consider these dates, you should probably assume the Campovens lagged somewhat in transitioning to the newer logo's etc. High production pieces were more apt to get the changes first and the slower selling pieces would get updated when a pattern wore out if at all. I suspect, that is probably why we don't see any salnt EPU's as by the time they got around to updating the patterns that had already transitioned to the block logo. All just speculation on my part though but considering what we see it does make sense.

 Basically all the pans in this thread run pretty chronographically as they are presented and you can consider the Erie to date from the late 1880's and they follow all the way up to the late 50's when Wagner aquired the rights to Griswold and started producing these as PN 310's. I really don't think considering the dates on the CO's to match the Skillet production dates as sound though as I think they were slower to transition.


 I think it's also important to point out that I don't think the lids all transitioned to match the bottoms either. An example is I have a slant ERIE #10 with a lid that is consistant with the ERIE markings. Now while I don't consider that to be the most correct match I'm not sure I would call it a marrage either because the lids are interchangable and if a bottom pattern was replaced that didn't mean the old lid pattern wouldn't still work. Basically there are lids that are more correct to match a bottom but IMO if they are mixed matched they might very well be factory.  The only exception there is the PN 180 to Pn 310 Transitions. IMO I don't think either of these lid styles, while they fit, belong on the other. I say that because one was produced in ERIE and one in Sydney. Maybe I'm hard headed but I always consider those a marriage when mixed matched.  

 I guess the take away here is the bottoms tend to show more change over the years than the lids. As new pices in different sizes come to light other subtle differences might be revealed as well.

Now if I could only figure out that dang four digit PN they through out there like on this #13.  

I have an 11 that has the 4 digit PN too. Just don't know how they fit in. I've seen two 13's with this four digit PN and one 11. I've never seen any other size with the four digit PN. FWIW.