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Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« on: April 11, 2014, 11:53:29 AM »
These belong to a friend of mine. A skillet and a large pot. He thinks they are Blacklock, but I disagreed. Anyone have any insight?

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2014, 11:55:07 AM »
Sorry the pictures have awkward resolutions. I don't currently have an app to resize photos on my iDevices.

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 12:35:40 PM »
I don't think the skillet is.

I don't know on the kettle,  but guess would be no.

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 01:21:48 PM »
Jon,

  The only items that we know for sure are Blacklock are the sad irons, tea kettles and pot lid that have been found with markings on them.

   Some members are working on finding a connection to trace back the South Pittsburgh made items and "certain" unmarked items certainly do appear to have been made by Lodge or posibly Blacklock.

  The skillet and kettle pictured here do not even resemble the ones that are suspected Blacklock/Lodge. The skillet puts me in mind of a BSR, but I can't even say for sure that is who made it.

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 04:08:26 PM »
With skillets and such we have no proof what Blacklock made. The only items we know for sure have Blacklock cast on them. The so-called experts, and sites, typically have just borrowed research from here and present it as their own. We had some discussions on Blacklock, a member Tim sent me a series of emails with ideas that he had on the progression of Blacklock/Lodge skillets. I put them in a PDF so members could look it over, make comments, suggest, etc. it has been consequently stolen from this site twice. I think that Tim did an great job in showing why certain  skillets go together, but nowhere did he state these are Blacklock, these are Lodge. And now on the internet everything that isn't marked and might be older is proclaimed Blacklock. Nobody has any proof when Blacklock burnt down, what skillets they were making, and what the very first Lodge skillets look like. The Blacklock Catalog I have is of no help either, as a generic photo was used. So unless it is marked, it is a guess. We have been able to connect one series of skillets with Blacklock/Lodge due to some older Camp Ovens with the same markings. But to ID those as Blacklock would be speculation. Lodge, BS&R both had wide graceful pour spouts on their older skillets. Yours does not. The kettle I have no idea as I really have never looked much into them

















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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 05:43:54 PM »
Dwayne, FYI... so you can remind me later, I believe I have found 'proof' of when the Blacklock Foundry burned down, and 'approvals' for the new foundry buildings (reconstruction).  I have the material downloaded to my hardrive, just need to catalog things better.....  Just stumbled across it in the past month when I was doing some researching on various stuff.!

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 06:14:59 PM »
I would like to see that, but what I was talking about is that we have no idea what skillets and other items Blacklock was making when it burned down. And we have no idea what skillet was the first for Lodge to cast. Making it nigh near impossible to say this skillet is Blacklock.
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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 06:30:06 PM »
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With skillets and such we have no proof what Blacklock made. The only items we know for sure have Blacklock cast on them. The so-called experts, and sites, typically have just borrowed research from here and present it as their own. We had some discussions on Blacklock, a member Tim sent me a series of emails with ideas that he had on the progression of Blacklock/Lodge skillets. I put them in a PDF so members could look it over, make comments, suggest, etc. it has been consequently stolen from this site twice. I think that Tim did an great job in showing why certain  skillets go together, but nowhere did he state these are Blacklock, these are Lodge. And now on the internet everything that isn't marked and might be older is proclaimed Blacklock. Nobody has any proof when Blacklock burnt down, what skillets they were making, and what the very first Lodge skillets look like. The Blacklock Catalog I have is of no help either, as a generic photo was used. So unless it is marked, it is a guess. We have been able to connect one series of skillets with Blacklock/Lodge due to some older Camp Ovens with the same markings. But to ID those as Blacklock would be speculation. Lodge, BS&R both had wide graceful pour spouts on their older skillets. Yours does not. The kettle I have no idea as I really have never looked much into them

Well stated Dwayne [smiley=thumbsup.gif] All we KNOW FOR SURE is that Blacklock & Lodge kept some of the poorest business records of early in their trade! The kick in the head is that they are the "last soldier left standing"! [smiley=beatdeadhorse5.gif] [smiley=question-marks.gif]















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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 10:59:02 AM »
So there is no question, I do think the work that Tim put together is amazing, and IMO gives a great frame work for the progression of Lodge. it just irks me how it has been misused. Especially those who now put the name Blacklock on anything hoping to make a few more bucks.
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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 11:19:59 AM »
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So there is no question, I do think the work that Tim put together is amazing, and IMO gives a great frame work for the progression of Lodge. it just irks me how it has been misused. Especially those who now put the name Blacklock on anything hoping to make a few more bucks.

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 09:21:39 PM »
Afraid to say, the FB world is Blacklock crazy. Pretty much every piece with raised letters is qualified as Blacklock these days.

Since, I'm not terribly familiar with the pieces, hence why I asked.

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Re: Are these two 14 pieces Blacklock?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 11:18:10 PM »
No problem Jonathon.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
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