Today's haul & question about heart gem pan

[Clark Rader]

Bottom, it does have a small gate mark imo , the outher marks on the edge are from a gas stove burner, clark

[Clark Rader]

Here is the onderside of oval lid, could be a very small gate mark next to the screw head, running north and south. If I try to look too hard I keep seeing things  :o what do you think? clark

[C. Perry Rapier]

Clark, to me, neither one of them looks to have a gate mark.

[Steve_Stephens]

If you see grinding around the outside of the cover and the outside of either/or the pot's bottom edge or top rim then it's probably not bottom gated.  The cover knob may be original but I would think, if so, that it was a way to 'fix' a broken regular loop handle.  Being as how your roaster is the second or third variation I would expect it to be side gated and have a regular handle.  But not evidence can I see from the photos that the handle is not original.

Steve

[Steve_Stephens]

Here's a slant TM dutch oven cover that illustrates that the later (than Tite-Top Baster) came with a slant TM while at least the bottom of a Baster came with a block TM.  Does anyone know if the tops and bottoms of the Baster came with both the slant and block TM AND the Dutch Oven also came with both the slant and block TM?  If so that's odd if you consider that the Baster was made before the Dutch oven.  Possibly both names were sold at the same time in different markets which might account for both trademarks being on both items.   I've covered this topic before but don't remember if I ever had all the answers.   I should add that I'm certain that the high domed dutch oven cover and the bottom that it came on was always with block TM.  It's the Tite-Top Baster and only the low dome Tite-Top dutch ovens and the bases that came with those tops that seem to have mix and match slant and block TMs.

Still looking for information about the 9-cup heart gem pan with cutouts.  Has anyone ever seen one like it or with cutouts?

http://cgi.ebay.com/GRISWOLD-SLANT-LOGO-TITE-TOP-DUTCH-OVEN-8-LID_W0QQitemZ280149730719QQihZ018QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Steve

[junkjunkie]

Steve, what a lucky day you had at the flea market!  Those are really nice pieces.  I especially like the heart pans!  I have seen them, but am always a little leery....I always assume they were reproductions.  Thanks for posting the pictures!  Now I know that there were genuine heart muffin pans and see the difference between old and new.       Judy

[Steve_Stephens]

Judy, Martin made three different heart pans (6, 9, and 12 cup) and I would think they are not bottom gated but don't know.  If you see a gated pan it's old.  My one with cutouts seems quite old by the quality of the casting and its patina.  It definitely is not a new reproduction as are so widely seen by John Wright and maybe a few others.  Those pans are easy to spot unless, possibly, they have been used a lot.

Steve

[Troy_Hockensmith]

Steve,

 I got an unmarked gated oval that I had at the convention last year. That lid sure looks like the one you posted.

[Steve_Stephens]

Troy, I think I had a small gated oval roaster, too.  Sold it awhile ago so don't remember.  Or it may have been the one with some kind of mark on the side and on the cover.  Might have been German but its shape was exactly that of Wagner.  Someone surely did some copying there.

Steve

[jwright]

Wow, Steve -- what a haul!!  I really like those old dutch ovens...

I'm like you -- at first, I thought "Martin" on the heart pan, but then you mentioned the cutouts.  Could it possibly be an earlier version?  It seems like a lot of pans start out sort of "daring" with all kinds of cutouts, then as they go along, they get thicker and the cutouts disappear.

Great shopping in any case!

Jerry W.

[Steve_Stephens]

Hey Jerry, I hear through the beanstalk that you will be joining WAGS.  Great to have you about to board.  Yeah, the older gem pans do seem to be the cutout ones but the gated heart pans I have are both solid.  It's easy to overlook what you see over the years until you get a piece and then you want to know all about it.  Who knows, maybe I have seen a cutout one.  Funny that there are so few old heart pans as they are very pretty.  Maybe there are more than we think as it would be a pan to keep and not place on the market.  As with my unmarked early skillets I don't think I will find the maker.  Maybe I can find one of those little oval gold "CHINA" stickers to mount on the handle.

Steve

[jwright]

Oh, no!!!  ANYTHING but "China"!!!!

You're probably right about them being too pretty to get rid of -- they probably adorn several homes walls.  That one of yours certainly would make a great attention-getter.

Take care.

Jerry W.

[Steve_Stephens]

Here's a different 9-heart pan-
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cast-Iron-Heart-Shaped-9-Space-Muffin-Cake-Pan_W0QQitemZ180157712881QQihZ008QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Note the single bar at one end in middle of handle but two wide bars at the other end.  Don't think I've seen this one before and doubt that it's old.

Steve

[Steve_Stephens]

Back to TODAY'S haul.
I went to Berkelely to some architectural salvage yards looking for door hardware for a house I am working on.  Found most of what I needed so looked around for "whatever".  There was a WOLF style commercial range under cover outside with three pieces of somewhat dirty and rusty (light rust) cookware.  A marked Favorite 8-1/2 deep skillet with proper (unmarked) No.9 cover, a Wagner deep dougle skillet (blue book p.237 bottom center- I like these and the shallower 5-Star Skilllet Set) and a late Wagner 1088 deep skillet for $15.  That was too much for that pan but the other two at $25 each (each with unmarked iron trivets in them) was very reasonable.  They should clean up well.  And I wasn't even looking or expecting any iron to show up let alone two nice uncommon pieces.

Das ist a fun hobby!

Steve