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Offline Jerry Cermack

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#581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« on: October 18, 2006, 01:32:21 PM »
Here are two different #581 covers.  One has lettering and no hole,  and one plain with hole?....both show to be pattern number 581, and Al Carder cover.   What determined which cover they used?
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 06:42:57 PM »
Yes Jerry that is the same two tops that I have in cast iron.
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 07:10:34 PM »
Both lids are the same size. I know nothing and this is what I got. The d/o reads table service dutch oven.
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2006, 09:18:22 PM »
Who or what, was Al Carder?
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 09:27:09 PM »
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Who or what, was Al Carder?


I don't know, but I sure like that iron mountain #14 thery're sitting on.  Nice skillet Clark. :o
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 10:26:49 PM »
 :) now Roger, we got to stay on them serving kettles and toy's, good eye.
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2006, 10:45:54 PM »
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:) now Roger, we got to stay on them serving kettles and toy's, good eye.
clark

Sorry, how about this one on ebay?  (back on topic now)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Cast-Iron-Lid-for-Serving-Kettle-Griswold_W0QQitemZ120042199377QQihZ002QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 11:08:05 PM »
Clarks got a whole set of them Iron Mountain skillets. They are on the Eye Candy Section. Clark, now you watch Roger, he'll be wantin to swap you out of that 14 Iron Mountain.  ;)
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 08:22:29 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/GRISWOLD-00-SERVICE-KETTLE-w-LID-4-1-4-X-1-1-2-DEEP_W0QQitemZ140043540242QQihZ004QQcategoryZ976QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Boy thay got the same # on a lot of pieces, look at page 168, 169 red book. Than 140, 146 the blue book. You just got to have the red & blue books. Together thay are not complete. Did not find my #0, 109 toy table service dutch oven. I will have to pull out my L W books also to have a looksee
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 12:33:43 PM »
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:) now Roger, we got to stay on them serving kettles and toy's, good eye.
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Sorry, how about this one on ebay?  (back on topic now)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Cast-Iron-Lid-for-Serving-Kettle-Griswold_W0QQitemZ120042199377QQihZ002QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Well, that seems to be 3 different covers with the same pattern number.
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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 01:28:22 AM »
From my pattern number list (made mostly from my observations over many years) the 581 cover was made for the No. 0, 00, and 000 Service (of Serving?) kettle plus the 109 p/n table service dutch oven (not a toy but just a small, individual serving sized pot as were the Service Kettles.  I belive the Al Carder pot was one of Griswold existing pots (or slightly modified for Carder-who is he anyway??) as was the 581 Carder cover.  Sometimes Griswold would use the same pattern number for slightly different pieces made at different times.

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Re: #581 Al Carder Lid Variations???
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 11:19:22 AM »
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 I belive the Al Carder pot was one of Griswold existing pots (or slightly modified for Carder-who is he anyway??) as was the 581 Carder cover.  Sometimes Griswold would use the same pattern number for slightly different pieces made at different times.

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Dave told me Al Carder was a big NY catering service.
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