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Offline Dwayne Henson

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"Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« on: February 15, 2006, 10:42:53 PM »
After partially cleaning up a crudy one, I think I have a Chrome skillet. Was interested in it initially because of the handle. (Obviously I've been paying attention to Steve.) One question is this chrome or nickel? Now I know that the B is just a molder's mark, but did Wagner or Griswold ever use a mark to designate the quality of an item? Did they ever make a Premium and Economy grade, under the Griswold or Wagner name?
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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2006, 10:43:17 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2006, 10:43:40 PM »
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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2006, 10:59:27 PM »
Dwayne, that's nickel plated.  I don't think Wagner did chrome.  I have one that's similar, and the inside is not plated and is super smooth.   As far as the quality question.  I know Griswold made extra finished wear with the diamond logo.  I think the lines with their names were the pemium and the ones made under other names or unmarked were the not as high grade pieces if you will.  Example would be iron mountain for Griswold, but I think the quality is just as good as marked.  
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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2006, 11:02:07 PM »
Roger any special tips or no-no's that you have found on further cleaning it?
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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2006, 11:09:55 PM »
If you put these in the electro and there is any loose plating, it will come off.  I just put them in lye bath or spray with oven cleaner if they need cleaning.  I couldn't tell that mine was plated until all the baked on grease came off.  The thing to me about the plating is that if it's all there it looks great, but when alot of it is gone it don't look so great.  
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2006, 02:14:17 AM »
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The thing to me about the plating is that if it's all there it looks great, but when alot of it is gone it don't look so great.  
I used to think that too and still do about chrome but nickel has a warmer look and on Griswold and the earlier Wagner's you get that beautiful full polished exterior.  I wouldn't put a plated skillet anymore in a self cleaning oven as the high temp will discolor the plating.

 I think all of Griswold's ans Wagner's line were their premium line but the Victor and National were their cheaper line as well as Iron Mtn and maybe some others like Good Health, Long Life, Etc.  But even those lines seem to be just as good quality as the full named ones.  One thing the lesser lines did not have were the latest patented features that the full line had.  Griswold's Extra Finished Ware was all of its line (or possibly just the pieces that were ground or polished) and was extra finished in comparison to what most other foundries of the period offered.

Wagners of the era of your plated pan Dwayne are top quality pans.  Even better than Griswold of the same era which was before 1915 when the big W logo came out.  

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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2006, 08:17:18 AM »
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Wagners of the era of your plated pan Dwayne are top quality pans.  Even better than Griswold of the same era which was before 1915 when the big W logo came out.  
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Steve, of the Wagners I like the early ones best. However, when you say they were better than the same period Griswold, thats only your opinion and not fact.

While in your opinion they are better thats a lot different than merely stating they are.

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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2006, 08:39:48 AM »
Now in your opinion would it hurt the plating to heat the skillet to 500, to season the inside when the cleaning is complete, or will this discolor the nickel plating? I guess a better question would be at what temp does nickel start discoloring?
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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2006, 12:10:05 PM »
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Now in your opinion would it hurt the plating to heat the skillet to 500, to season the inside when the cleaning is complete, or will this discolor the nickel plating? I guess a better question would be at what temp does nickel start discoloring?
Dwayne, my opinion is that 450 degrees might be the point at which the plating will start to turn color.  May be higher but the iron itself gets darker around 450 degrees and you probably know what happens to the color of the plating on motorcycle exhaust pipes near the hot cylinder head from the high temperature.

Perry, definitely it was my opinion that I stated without saying so.  Keep me honest will ya?

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Re: "Wagner" (arc) Sidney, O
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 11:47:17 PM »
Thanks Steve, got it seasoned without any discoloration.
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