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C. Perry Rapier:
It was in Portland, Indiana. It was an old iron flea market. Old tractor parts, farm machinery etc. I saw about 100 pieces of cast iron. Steve Stephens, I bought an old griswold (I think) skillet unmarked except for the 8 at the bottom. It has a handle exactly like the griswold spider. It has the big gate mark across the bottom. It is in very good condition, not warped or pitted. I gave 3.00 dollars for it and I thought it was a good buy. Also saw a fully marked number 9 Victor for 175.00. I told him I was interested in a pair and if he didn't have two I just didn't want any. I also saw a number 8 MARION scotch bowl for 22.50. I saw lots of other items as well. There were a few hundred dealers there, it was at the fairgrounds and there were people from several states there.

Steve_Stephens:
That sounds like my kind of flea market Perry.  Lots of rust!

Griswold didn't make skillets with bottom gate marks!!  The ones shown in the books are not Griswold in spite of what the books say.  I am looking for someone to PROVE to me that Griswold did make bottom gated skillets but I don't think anyone will be able to.  You got a good buy any way.    Are you sure the Marion pot was a scotch bowl and not some other pot?  If so I have added it to the maker's list.  I don't doubt they made a scotch bowl but want to be sure that's exactly what you saw.
Thanks for the report.  Way high price on that Victor 9 skillet.
Steve

C. Perry Rapier:
Steve, I do not know an awful lot about any of this and am still learning and always will. Having said that, I know the least about bowls. I presumed it was a scotch bowl. To be sure it looked like the bowl at the top right on page 76 of the 2nd edition blue book. It had the bail, the ring on the side, and the rim on the bottom. What were these bowls and the scotch bowls used for anyway? That flea market lasts three days and today is the first day. If it is of any vital concern to be sure, I will go back and buy it. So you don't think Erie skillets had a gate mark even though one is pictured in the blue book? Well, if this is not an Erie, it ought to be, cause it sure looks and feels like one. Oh yea, I also wanted to say that one of the cast iron dealers there had several pieces and while I was there talking to him he got out his book and it was a copy of the first edition Griswold and Wagner. He opened it up there were the two pictures of the authors. He said, "one of these fellows is a real **shole". I asked him how he knew that and he said one of his friends knew very well and told him so. I asked him which one was it and he pointed to the one on the right

Steve_Stephens:
That bowl is a Yankee Bowl.  An interesting bunch of iron those different bowls and pots are but nobody seems to know much about how they were used.  Probably for all sorts of things and they were of different shapes to give people lots of choices.  I've never learned how most are or were used.  Probably not a lot of people alive anymore who used them regularly so it could be hard to find out their uses.  Thanks for you offer to pick up the Marion pot for me but it isn't a piece that interests me to own.  I love to see all sorts of different pieces but have to limit my collection.

Too bad that someone like the author on the right who has seen so much iron and been in the "business" for so long is not one of the "good guys" in the hobby.  Some people are more into it for the money.  Never could know if I could trust what I would hear from him.

Re: Erie and Griswold bottom gated skillets.  I would not bet my life that Griswold never made them but I would be very surprised if one turned up that was really known to be Griswold.  Every one that I have seen is smaller by the 1/8" per foot shrinkage factor than a side gated Griswold pan.  And you would think that the bottom gated pans would be the earliest but most that show up are of later versions than the earliest Erie skillets.  Why would Griswold make side gated skillets at first and then revert to an older casting method.  Griswold advertised from very early that their wares were made with smooth bottoms (lack of a bottom gate).  Just lots of obversations on my part to come up with what I think.  A noted collector who gave a talk on ERIE skillets at a Griswold convention several years ago was certain that his ERIE gated skillets were made by Griswold.  But he also didn't realize what the first series of Erie skillets was all about.
Steve

Greg Stahl:

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