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Offline Roger Barfield

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electro cleaning
« on: November 01, 2004, 11:27:01 PM »
I bought a favorite piqua waffle iron, and the blue book says the base is Jappanned.  Is that ok to be electro cleaned?
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2004, 12:10:02 AM »
Sir Barfield,
That's just fine to electro if you want to remove the japan (black type of durable paint).  I wouldn't remove it at all if there is any left unless the base is grungy enough with rust to make it desireable to electrolysis the piece.  If only old grease is on the base you can lye it and the japan might survive as it is pretty tough.
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2004, 07:06:04 AM »
This is the first time I have heard this term. Is this coat of paint applied at the factory? Is it common? Any other information about this "Japanning" technique would be appreciated.

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2004, 07:16:47 AM »
Ron,
Do a Search on this site for "japanning" and there are quite a few links we have put up over the last year or so.  Perhaps, we need to put up "japanning" as an educational link too?
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Japanning (long)
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2004, 11:53:34 AM »
Japan was a very common finish on old iron such as tools, waffle iron frames, electric fan motors/bases, and many other articles.  Factory applied, it is very hard and durable.  I just learned that Lodge "black japanned" many kettles and pots but, for the most part, I think japanning was reserved, in iron cookware, for waffle iron frames to help keep them from rusting.  The following I had recently gotten from the fan club site I think and, though very long, it might be of interest to some of you:
Steve

From this site:
http://www.cranialstorage.com/wood/html/japanning.html
     
Japanning:
(scroll down for metal japanning)

Not so much a finish, as a style of finishing.

Webster's 1913 Dictionary:
  1) \Ja*pan"\, n. [From Japan, the country.] Work varnished and figured in the Japanese manner; also, the varnish or lacquer used in japanning.
 2)  \Ja*pan"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Japanned}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Japanning}.]  1. To cover with a coat of hard, brilliant varnish, in the manner of the Japanese; to lacquer.

Wordnet Dictionary:
[n]  lacquer with a durable glossy black finish, originally from the orient.

Oxford English Dictionary:
\Ja*pan"\, n. def 2: A varnish of exceptional hardness which originally came from Japan. The name is now extended to other varnishes of a like sort esp., to (a) a black varnish obtained by cooking asphaltum with linseed oil, used for producing a black gloss on metal and other materials; (b) a varnish-like liquid made from shellac, linseed-old and turpentine and used as a medium in which to grind colours and for drying pigments.

 
See below for:
*      Japanning Recipes: Traditional for Wood & Metal
*      Japanning Recipes: Modern for Metal (or Paint if you prefer)
*      Cleaning & Preparation for Japanning
*      Application of Japanning


Note:  You should NOT repaint old planes that are rare, collectible, or have any value, as this will reduce their value.  For common planes that will be ‘users’, this may be acceptable to some. For many, repainting or rejappning isn’t acceptable at all.  Your plane, your call.

Traditional Japanning for Wood [Alcohol based]

 http://www.ecrios.com/howtodojap.html.
 Eli's Formula for Japanning as demonstrated on the Martha Stewart TV show)

Materials Needed:
1) Drop Black dried pigment (see "Products" section)
2) Orange Flake Shellac (see "Products" section)
3) Denatured alcohol
4) Empty 8 oz. container (such as a Wonton soup container)
5) Plastic spoon
Formula to Make (Alcohol-Based) Japan Paint:
Step 1 - Make Shellac
Fill an 8 oz. container halfway with Orange Flake Shellac. Add denatured alcohol until the liquid is 1" above the flakes. Cover and set aside overnight or for about 8 hours, stirring every four hours. 
Strain (for this you may use cheesecloth, a T-shirt, stockings, or a sieve). Pour through into another container. Add two teaspoons of Drop Black dry pigment to the strained solution.
Stir with brush.
Application:
Make sure surface is absolutely clean of wax. Will adhere to raw wood, painted wood, or lacquered surfaces as long as they are clean of wax.
***Note*** It's very Important to clean and sand surfaces. Raw wood should be sanded thoroughly, then painted. Lacquered or painted pieces should be cleaned with mineral spirits.
Wipe the piece down using a small rag, or a T-shirt dampened with mineral spirits.
Follow by a good sanding with 220 grit sandpaper.
Apply 2-3 coats of paint. Wait 15 minutes between coats. On painted or lacquered surfaces, you may need less coats of japanning.

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Traditional Japanning for Metal:

1) http://home.comcast.net/~elmorain/JapanningRecipe.htm


The base recipe: Add 2 parts linseed oil, 5 parts turpentine, and 3 parts asphaltum powder, and 3 parts rosin.

I have reproduced the entire page locally.  It contains mixing and curing instructions, as well as a lot of other information.


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2) An all-purpose formula used in the 1890's consisted of: 2 lb. gum  shellac, one gallon oil, 1 pound each of red lead and litharge (**warning - highly toxic) , and 1/4 lb. of amber. "Melt the gum in a small quantity of oil (Linseed) and then  add it gradually to the rest of the oil while it is boiling. Boil the  whole recipe until Stringy."
Sounds yummy, hah? He goes on to say:  "A 20th-Century formula for japanning metal consisted of fusing 12 ounces  of amber and 2 ounces of asphaltum by heat and adding 1/2 pint of boiled linseed oil and 2 oz. of rosin. While the mixture was cooling you added  16 oz. of turpentine to complete the black varnish."  Archive:  85474, 74918

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3) This formula came from one of my old books. could it be what's you're referring to? To make Black Japan:  Boiled oil, 1 gall.; umber, 8 oz.; asphaltum, 3 oz. oil of turpentine, as much as will reduce it to the thinness required.   Archive: 87095

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 5) Lee Valley's catalogue has an interesting little book called "Lee's Priceless Recipes: 3000 Secrets for the Home, Farm, Laboratory, Workshop, and Every Department of Human Endeavor". This is a reprint of a book originally published in 1895

On page 267 is the following: BLACK JAPAN -- Naples asphaltum 50 pounds, dark gumanime 8 pounds, fuse, add linseed oil 12 gallons, boil, add dark gum amber 10 pounds, previously fused and boiled with linseed oil 2 gallons, add the driers, and proceed as last. Used for wood or metals. Archive:  85480

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4) Ford used two japan black paints. The “First Coat Black Elastic Japan” was given the factory specification number F-101 (M-101 after March 15, 1922) and F-102 (M-102 after March 15, 1922) was the factory specification number for “Finish Coat Elastic Black Japan”. Both paints were very similar in composition. They consisted of about 10% linseed oil and dryers (lead and iron dryers were popular in oven baked paints), 55% thinners (mineral spirits or petroleum naphtha), and 25 - 35% Asphaltum. F-101 also contained 1 - 3% carbon black as a pigment, while the finish coat, F-102 contained none.
The surprising and interesting element in these paints is the asphaltum or asphalt. Asphalts are dark film-forming compounds that were used in paints noted for their resistance to water and dampness. The Ford material specification sheets usually specify that the asphalt used was Gilsonite. This is a natural, hard, brittle resin that is mined in the western United States as well in other places around the world. It was used in the manufacture of many products during the 1920's including paints, varnishes, oils, and shellacs. When compounded with other asphalts and rubber it was made into automobile tires, phonograph records, waterproofing and insulating materials. When used in paints Gilsonite must be melted at 270 - 400 degrees before it is added to the linseed oil and dryers. As a part of the paint, the Gilsonite is low in cost, acts as a hardening agent for the oils, and results in a high-gloss dark-colored surface. It also tends to increase the plasticity of the paint, making it less brittle, more flexible and able to withstand the vibration of fenders, hoods and shields without cracking or pealing.

From:  http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/P-R.htm

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Modern Japanning Recipes:

1) “Restoring Antique Tools” by Herbert P. Kean suggests Sherwin-Williams “High Heat Black” spray paint #1614 (Krylon) as a good simulation of the original finish.

2) An article in Canadian Woodworking,  Aug/Sept 2003, Vol. 6. No. 4 entitled “Restoring Hand Planes” by David Eisan used a “black reinforced resin urethane enamel” as suggested to him by his “local, full-service paint store”. The cast iron plane parts were cleaned with a wire wheel to remove all rust and loose japanning, and then rubbed down with lacquer thinner to remove any dust or oil. Parts were then masked, and given three light coats of paint.

3) Industrial Alkyd Enamel.  Suggested in Archive:  64522

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Cleaning & Preparation for Japanning

I've restored more japanned tools than I care to count. Here's my  technique:

1.      Paint stripper - the industrial stuff - use in a well ventilated area. Fill a pan, let the plane sit in it for a few hours, remove and let dry.
2.      Bead blast - just hit the japanned area if you are worried about machined surfaces. My experience is that careful bead blasting does very little damage to good metal, nothing that can't be easily polished out.
3.      Paint stripper - again if necessary.
4.      Bead blast - again if necessary.
5.      Dental pick - to remove stubborn bits of old japan
6.      High pressure air - to blow away any blast grit and small pieces of  loose Ja*pan.


The plane is now ready for re-japanning with the method of your choice. In my observation the Ja*pan used by Stanley has changed in formulation  over the years, and while the older planes may have been coated and  baked with a very durable mix of asphaltum and linseed (and whatever  else), sometime around WW II, planes began to be painted with and oil base of some kind. It may interest readers to learn that old piano  plates (the big gold cast iron harp shaped thing inside a piano) were also japanned up until the advent of more modern coatings. I've been  tracking a source of good Ja*pan through the piano route, but have had no success (yet).

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Galoots,
 Did I miss something here? If so, sorry. If not, I've never met a tool's paint, japanning or whatever, that a good, water cleanable, paint stripper didn't remove. And it takes only the slightest of brushing in the cast iron "pores" to remove the leftover gunk. A little more scraping or brushing around and between the patent and Stanley raised letters and numbers might be needed.
 Once down to bare, grey casting (takes about 10 minutes total on a Stanley #8), dry the surface of its water rinse. Then, prep for painting with acetone. A liberal amount flooded on and wiped dry with a paper towel will do fine. After this, refinish quickly or brush on some liquid wax to prevent the grey casting from rusting. Of course, if you are into "faking" an old paint job, let it rust a little and japan over the rust so that when you strategically chip out the paint to match standard old japanning wear patterns, no bright metal shows through, only old rust! This seems to be how some of the more expensive tools at big boy auctions are done. One benefit about this paint stripper method is that there are no changes made to the texture of the casting - no scraping, blasting, sanding or polishing smooth of the pore roughness. It is just paint removal.

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I've stripped one or two japanned planes completely by simply slathering on the orange smelling stripper then sealing it in a plastic bag overnight. Next day just wipe off and scrub down with clean mineral spirits. You may want to warm the plane up to drive off the volatiles from the mineral spirits before applying the japanning, or just let it sit in a sunny dry spot for a day or two to allow it to thoroughly dry.

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The directions say to remove all of the japan as the new will soften the old and look bad. It mentions electrolysis, razor blade and mineral spirits, hand held stainless steel brush, and an awl. Any stubborn areas can be CAREFULLY softened with a propane torch. Lastly, a final dip in the zap bucket.

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Application of Japanning

1) I've been talking to the folks at Liberty Paint for a while... <snip> I asked a few questions about his product, Liberty Old Japanners' Pontypool Asphaltum. <snip> I asked if there were any directions with the product. I was told there was no special information provided. I explained what I'd heard about the baking procedure that has been posted here. (bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes, cool, then 250 degrees for 15 minutes, etc.) He said that in the past some folks had "stoved" the painted pieces. He said that would likely hasten full drying but was not really necessary. He said never exceed 300 degrees. He offered that full dry hardness would likely be obtained at normal room temperature within 30 days.

2) This is the full post of Archive: 35768 made to the OldTools group Jan 30, 1998. There is additional responses worth a read, that again oddly enough, cover the paint/don’t paint controversy.

BLACK JAPANNING INSTRUCTIONS

For restoring a factory finish to Stanley bench planes and other
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INTRODUCTION


Besides using electrolysis to clean the rust from my tools I've found the need to replace the japanning on some of my worst planes to prevent further rusting. This is a real problem on the South Texas Coast.  As the proud owner of over 40 Stanley planes I've had the opportunity to try several different cleaning and restoration methods.

I've recently begun a project to restore some old planes that had become unusable as they were. As a part of the restoration I decided to re-japan the castings and these are my notes on the subject.


DISCLAIMER


What follows are instructions for application of a japanning formulation with which I've had good success. By offering these as my experiences I accept no liability for your use of this method or product.

If you chose to follow these directions you assume all risk and liabilities for your actions. Take whatever precautions are necessary in your circumstances to provide for fresh air ventilation, emergency cleanup of spilled material and cleanup or removal of finish from your skin and clothes. This product is petroleum based and all applicable precautions should be taken to prevent ignition of fumes or spilled material.

Some steps, once begun, must be completed before you can step away from the project. For this reason I've divided them into headings. The end of each heading is a natural stopping point that allows you the opportunity to quit for the day. Once you begin a heading it should be completed before stopping for the day.


ELECTROLYSIS


I highly recommend that you clean the castings by electrolysis. However, I don't go deeply into that subject here. The oldtools archives have several discussions on the subject and I may write about it again at a later date if it's necessary. For now, if you need help setting up an electrolysis vat for this project read the archives and  I'll try to help you on an individual basis. It's really quite simple to build.


SUPPLIES


You will need mineral spirits and paper towels for cleanup, a 1/2 inch artists brush and a paper cup or spray can lid for a temporary brush holder. Tools you'll need are discussed in the appropriate heading and are common tools you should have on hand.

I purchased a bottle of what is said to be the original formulation of
Stanley's japanning from:
William (Bill) Gustafson Antiques
Phone: (518) 392-2845 
email: oldtools@t...
Black Japanning  @ $10.00 / 8oz. + $3.00 shipping paid in advance of
shipping.
Bill states outright that he has little experience actually applying the formula and he provides only the following basic instructions with each bottle:

 1. Mix well, brush on and air dry for 1-2 days.
 2. Bake in 50F steps starting at 250F for 15-30 minutes.
 3. Do not bake over 400F.

This product is an historical finish. It is a custom product and is  produced in small quantities. Each batch will differ slightly which  will effect the drying time. Air drying will work also but will not  impart a rock hard surface."


IT BEGINS HERE


Create a comfortable work area and take your time because none of this goes quickly. If you need a fast project for instant gratification remodel your kitchen or build a work bench.

The first thing that has to be done is to clean and prepare the castings surface. As with many projects the key to success is in the details.

As a preface: I tried recoating over top of the existing Stanley japanning and got less than acceptable results. The remaining old finish began to lift and curl as the solvent in the new finish softened the old finish.


CLEANING

1.      Remove all the hardware, tote, iron, frog, etc., from the plane casting.
2.      Clean the casting with dish soap, hot water and a non metallic scrub brush to help remove any oils and dirt.  Many planes have been cleaned in the past with WD-40. This oil must be remove before applying the new finish. You can apply these directions to the japanned areas of the frog also
3.      I highly recommend cleaning by electrolysis overnight to kill the rust. The difference this makes in the finished product can be dramatic. A wire wheel does not really remove the rust, it merely smears it around. I've had some success with sandblasting with a very fine blow sand but I don't recommend any cleaning method that removes or further damages the base metal.
4.      With razor blade and mineral spirits remove all of the remaining old japanning and rust. After the major areas are cleaned use a small hand held stainless steel wire brush and eventually a sharp awl for the corners.

If all other methods fail to completely remove the old finish use a propane torch to gently heat the stubborn finish and either soften it or burn it until it's crispy and releases from the casting. It is not necessary to overheat the casting to the point of warping. That much heat is not required to release the grip of the old finish.

I have found that the area under the frog around the screw bosses seldom needs recoating. If that's the case on your casting, it is a good idea to leave the factory finish alone here and use it as a reference to judge your work on the rest of the casting. The goal is to make the refinished area resemble the original factory finish.
5.      If removal of the japanning exposes any hidden rust run it through the electrolysis bath for another couple of hours.
6.      Wash the casting again with soap and water. Hand dry with a shop towel and then immediately dry with heat to prevent surface oxidation from starting. I use an old hair dryer or a small propane torch. You don't realize how much moisture is still in the porous metal until you see the flash of water as it evaporates under applied heat. With the casting at 70F or warmer you're ready to apply the first coat.


PREPARATION


7. Set up lots of lights to view your progress. The first coat is seldom a problem as you have the contrast between bare metal and black finish. On the second coat it can be very difficult to see any spots that you miss while applying the second coat. The black japanning soaks up light like a black hole. Even under lots of fluorescent lights I still resorted to a flashlight to see some areas.

8. Choose an area that has no drafts and is dust free. This material stays tacky for a long time and will collect dust and insects that might come into contact with your work.

9. Be prepared to store the brush in a small container of mineral spirits during drying times. The cap off of a can of spray paint or a small paper cup makes a handy temporary brush holder. Keep the lid on the japanning bottle when not in use.

When you're ready to use the brush again just wrap it in a folded paper towel and squeeze the brush between your fingers before dipping it back into the japanning. Mineral spirits also works well for final brush cleanup at the end of the application and for cleaning up spills or mistakes.

10. Lay the casting on its side (to prevent runs in the finish) over several layers of newspaper. Beware, this formula will bleed through one or two layers of paper to the surface below


APPLICATION


11. Shake the japanning well.  Using a small 1/2 inch artists brush apply the finish to the horizontal inside surface of the casting.  Be generous and apply the japanning liberally to allow it to flow out to a smooth finish. Load up the brush, start deep into the casting and gently draw the finish out to the edge of the casting. Lightly smooth the surface with long brush strokes and be careful not to overwork the finish. Although there is some surface tension that can cause voids from heavy brush strokes the finish has a tendency to try and float out to an even finish by itself. Allow the first side to cure for an hour.

12. After allowing about an hour drying time on the first side, flip the casting to its other side and repeat step 8. The sides are done first because they usually take a little less finish and dry faster reducing the risk of a run. Allow finish to cure for an hour.

13. After allowing about another hour drying time on the second side flip the casting upright so it rests on its sole and apply finish to the remainder of the casting. Avoid over working the japanning. Load up the brush and lay it on the casting liberally helping it to flow evenly by brushing in one direction. Always start deep into the casting and pull the finish to the edge.

Take great care to bring the finish up to but not into the screw bosses for the tote and knob. This finish will fill in the threads if allowed to dry inside the screw boss. Also, try to avoid getting the finish on the milled landings that support the frog. This however is not critical as there is an opportunity later to clean it up.

14. When the inside of the casting is fully covered you are done for at least a full day. Clean your brush, turn out the lights and come back tomorrow. Maintain a comfortable room temperature for the drying period but do not rush the finish by trying to warm the casting. This makes the finish go flat.


RECOATING


15. After allowing the finish to dry for a full day, judge your progress. In most cases I have found that one coat still shows the rough texture of the underlying casting and often the color does not adequately cover the top edges of the raised lettering.

16. Apply a second coat if necessary. Follow steps #10-14 allowing another full day of drying time. I have found two coats are sufficient for most applications.

17. Clean your brush and allow the final application to air dry for a full two days before baking the finish. The ambient temperature should be kept above 70F throughout the application and drying periods.


CLEANUP


18. Having allowed the finish to air dry for two days now is the time to clean up the casting. Using a razor blade remove any japanning on the machined  area of the screw bosses, frog landing, top edges of the sides and anywhere it should not be. Using your razor blade make nice clean cuts at the break points between bare metal and japanning. Use your mineral spirits to clean off any smears on the outsides and bottom of the casting around the mouth. The next step is going to make the finish too soft to work without making a mess until it cools. When it cools it will be a hard baked finish that will be difficult to remove. 


BAKING


 There has been some concern voiced about heating a plane casting or block plane lever cap to what will eventually be about 400F. There is absolutely nothing to be concerned about. Even soft 60/40 tin-lead solder has to be 400 to 500 degrees before melting. With all pieces
removed the cast iron of a plane is perfectly safe at 400F.

Baking in an oven will create a slight odor of freshly laid road tar. In my case it wasn't really objectionable and it dissipated quickly after the finished pieces were taken back to my shop. However, my SWMBO did go out and buy me a small toaster oven for my shop. Maybe that's a hint?

WARNING! This japanning formula is a petroleum based material and I strongly advise you not to use a gas fired oven to bake the finish.

My little electric baking oven was purchased from Walmart for under $30.00 and will fit anything up to a Stanley Bailey #5 jack plane. While you're there pick up a small oven thermometer to monitor the oven's temperature.

19. Pre-warm your oven to 250F and heat the casting for 20 minutes. For small pieces reduce the time to something less than 15 minutes.  Watch the casting closely or use an oven thermometer to avoid over heating the japanning. Too much heat or too long in the oven will cause the finish to start bubbling and ruin the slick finish you've worked so hard to attain.

If you're doing small pieces like frogs, block planes or their lever caps you must be very observant. They tend to heat too quickly and will bubble the finish. Some ovens do not heat evenly or will spike at a much higher temperature before the thermostat can turn off the heating element.

Watch your first baking session to get a feel for how your oven reacts. Ask your SWMBO how evenly her oven bakes. Chances are she's made cakes and pastries and will know more about her oven than you want to know. If a part does bubble up you can still remove the finish at this stage by immediately cleaning with mineral spirits. If this happens, go back to the beginning and try the process again. Consider it a lesson learned the hard way.


BEWARE OF HOT CAST IRON!


20. After 20 minutes carefully remove the casting from the oven and allow it to cool slowly. The finish is now as soft as when you first brushed it on so take great pains not to disturb it. Although the finish will be soft and tacky you will begin to see the surface start to even out and gloss over.

21.  While allowing the casting to cool to room temperature, pre warm the oven to 300F.  When the casting has cooled reheat it for another 20 minutes. After this heating the appearance of the finish will change significantly as it takes on the glaze or glossy appearance of a new tool.

22. Repeat the cool down and baking procedure once more at 350F. Do not exceed 400F oven temperature. If your oven has poor heat regulation you might stop at 325F. Heating the japanning over 400F will cause it to start to bubble and blister the finish.

23. After removing the casting from the oven for the final time allow the casting to cool and stand for two more days to assure a cured finish.

24. Prior to reassembling your plane take a small mill bastard file and gently file the top edges of the casting to give it a sharp machined look and a crisp break from the japan finish. If any finish remains on the milled areas, now is the time to file it clean and flat.

You are now ready to reassemble your plane and go back to woodworking.

Good luck.


--
Nathan Lindsey
South Texas Rust Buster
 

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2004, 02:45:19 PM »
 :o Wow Steve, I hope you don't get carpal tunnel ;D.  The one I have has no rust, just some accumulated grease.  To the lye bath I'll go with it.  I sure am glad I asked first.
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2004, 08:23:35 PM »
I didn't type all that Roger but copied if from other sources.  I am not entirely sure how safe japan will be in the lye as it's been years since I've cleaned a waffle base with intact japan.  The shorter you leave it in the better chance of saving any japan.

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2004, 11:31:40 PM »
Thanks Steve, I'm just being a smart a** ;D, I'll try it a few hours at a time or so in the lye, and see how it does.  I did not realize that it was similar to a type of painting process.  I thought it was a type of plating.  I did read all the information you listed, and learned quite a bit.  I had heard that term used with the griswold pups, but did not know what it meant.  Do you know what year this process began to be used as it pertains to cast iron cookware?  The article mentioned Ford using it in the 1920's, but I think it must be older than that with cookware.
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2004, 12:17:02 AM »
I have no idea when it was first used with cookware and was surprised to learn that some pots/kettles were japanned.  Can't remember if the earlier Griswold waffle frames were japanned or not.  Anyone know?  Often the only japan left on the frames will be on the handle(s) which did not get as hot as the other parts of the frame.  I have a No.11 Griswold sq. waffle with japan intact all over the frame.

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2004, 09:10:45 AM »
WOW Steve, I just read your article on japanning. Impressive. I really get into this type of information. Your information under Supplies, looks like a local number and I was wondering if you had deliberatly altered the phone number? Could the smiling face with sun glasses be a 7? I would like to talk to this person about his product. On to another subject. On a post that you posted a while back, you had said that one of prettiest aluminum dutch ovens that you had seen had been sand blasted with walnut shells. I hadn't thought of this in years but I stripped military jet parts with this method. It would remove the epoxy but wouldn't damage the anodizing. Slow but it worked.So I looked up the local suppilers and they had crushed walnut shells. I am going to go try this now on some of my cheap pans first to see how this works. Thanks-again for all of information.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2004, 01:30:49 PM »
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WOW Steve, I just read your article on japanning. Impressive. I really get into this type of information. Your information under Supplies, looks like a local number and I was wondering if you had deliberatly altered the phone number?

Mark,
Not really my article on japanning but I am passing it along here.  This site's defalut is to add smilies unless a box is checked to omit them.  I've gone back and edited the dumb faces out of my post so you can now read the phone number.   Let us know how the walnut shell blasting works on your aluminum pieces.  The pretty piece I had seen was a Griswold wheat stick pan.  Having much texture to the pan already made the shells work great.  On a dutch oven or other large, smoother surface I'm not sure how well it would come out.
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2004, 05:24:39 PM »
Mark: I have been looking for walnut shells for sandblasting, but couldnot find a supplier. Is your supplier a national brand store?
Jack

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2004, 08:06:07 PM »
Jack, Ground walnut shells are also used by folks who handload ammunition. It's used in tumblers to polish the brass casings so you may want to try a store that caters to the shooting / handloading crowd. Here's an on line outfit that I dealt with years ago via mail order and they weren't too bad on price and delivery back then.

http://www.midwayusa.com/

Here is another on line business but I know nothing about them. They just popped up first when I did a search.
http://www.dennisdawson.com/
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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2004, 05:30:58 PM »
Thanks Harry. I will check these out.
Jack

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2004, 01:16:21 AM »
Sorry Jack for taking so long with the reply. No this company isn't a national brand store. I found them in the Yellow Pages under Abrasives. It comes in 50lbs bags and I haven't had time to experiment with it yet. If you would like I'll get the address and telephone no. if you can't find a local suppilier. But I would highly advise against silicone sand as it will badly pit cast iron and wreck the finish. Also be careful of heat build up on thinner cast because it could warp the piece.

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Re: electro cleaning
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2004, 12:11:13 PM »
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Mark: I have been looking for walnut shells for sandblasting, but couldnot find a supplier. Is your supplier a national brand store?
Jack


I've seen walnut hulls for sale on Ebay but another good source is Northern and they are cheap as well.
http://www.northerntool.com/

or the exact link:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200136874&R=200136874
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