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Offline Christian Andersen

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Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« on: December 30, 2019, 11:37:46 PM »
I was just curious what people’s opinion is regarding something.

It appears to me that often times the wobble that is found in skillets comes from the very middle of the bottom of a skillet.
It seems that a rise develops on the that center area, and in a current BSR pan that I am loving, this high spot also becomes smooth.  The rest of the bottom of the skillet may have circular fine lines from the foundry, but this high spot has become smooth.

Anyway, long winded question is what do you think causes this center point to become high?  Is it from the pan being used on an old school wood burning stove, or do modern gas burners cause this?

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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2019, 07:52:34 AM »
EXTREME HEAT from any source used. The center of the bottom is about the only area for it to move, be it up or be it down. And the sad thing is that once it happens, it's there to stay as there is no fool proof remedy for a "bow". :'(   Got a great high sided # 9 Wardway 1433 here that was made by Wagner that I love to use. BUT it has a downward bow in it. Most I have seen like it have bows in them.  :-/ [smiley=scratchchin.gif]
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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 09:29:49 AM »
Overheating is this number one mistake people make when using cast iron. As you can see first hand, cast iron is not as indestructible as everyone claims it is. It can be ruined very easily, especially the antique and vintage pieces. Overheating causes cookware to warp, mainly because the heat being applied does not heat the cookware evenly. Once the bottom bows up, all of the liquid in the pan flows away from the center, to the outside of the pan. That exacerbates the problem more; since, the center of the pan continues to heat, while the outer edges stay cooler due to the pooling of the cooking liquids that need to be evaporated. The opposite happens if the center bows downward. All of the cooking liquid then pools into the center of the pan, and it takes forever to cook what you are cooking, until that liquid is evaporated. Either way, the pan is ruined and unsuitable for proper cooking. We can speculate as to why a pan either bows up or down, but poor cooking results are then end product of both scenarios.
What is really annoying is when you find a skillet with an outer heat ring on it that sits perfectly flat when it is cold, but when you heat the pan, the center bows in either direction as described above, making the pan worthless for cooking. As Duke states, it cannot be undone. It is one more peril to try to avoid when using vintage cast iron for cooking.
See, there really is a method behind the madness of “heavy” current era Lodge. It is so much more forgiving than the old stuff. Sure, you can cook with the old pieces, but you really do need to know how to select that cookware, heat that cookware, and properly cook with it.
The past is the past, it cannot be undone, but we can learn from it, hopefully.
And you thought that your question was long winded.

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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2019, 11:38:24 AM »
Good insight, guys.  I feel a bit foolish now in thinking that wobble was not so much an issue when I am coooking on a gas stove.  I have both gas and glass top, but of course either way it is still a pan which will not disperse liquids evenly across the pan.

Side note...
Russell, I may be ‘Coming around’ to the love of The Lodge.
This pan I had found and a few weeks ago was struggling with an insane amount of seasoning build up... anyway, it is an older lodge with a smooth interior.  This thing finally cleaned up really well.  It is heavy as... and best of all it is completely flat bottomed.
I have about 5-6 coats of new seasoning on it, and it looks great!

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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2019, 11:55:24 AM »
Russell and Duke hit the nail on the head.  Overheating is the culprit, especially when you use a range burner where the heat is highly concentrated.

If possible I preheat CI in an oven where the heat is more even, starting at about 300F and working my way up to the target temp.  Takes a little longer, but it's easier on my CI, especially the vintage pieces.
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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2020, 09:56:01 AM »
The application of heat in relation to the metal's ability to conduct it is the culprit - high heat applied to a localized area will cause the metal to expand faster than the surrounding metal outside of the heat source: hot center of a pan versus the cooler metal of the pan's outer edge/side walls results in uneven rates of expansion.  That expanding metal needs to go somewhere and with resistance to movement created by the surrounding metal that is cooler that heated metal will move either up or down creating the warp. Larger the skillet, greater the chance for warping to occur.

Heating metal at an even rate is best - in the oven as Sandy mentioned allows for the greatest chance of doing that - or at a S_L_O_W rate to allow for conduction to move the heat more evenly is the key.  When I preheat pans on the stovetop I use a low heat setting until I can feel the heat has reached the handle, then the heat gets turned up to cooking temperature.

Uneven cooling of metal can also produce a warp, as well.  I'm a firm believer that a great number of cast iron pieces come out of the sand mold with a degree of warping due to how the the molten iron cools after casting.
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Offline Cheryl Watson

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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2020, 10:41:28 PM »
And then there are...

Those *&^%$!!! Griswold Smooth LBL #8's !

I have 'several' of them that sit Dead Flat....

Until heated...

Then they spin!

And when cooled down, they are once again...

FLAT!

Go Figure....

I believe that I have finally found ONE that stays flat at all times! :D :D :D


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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2020, 07:46:26 PM »
I think you will all find that using a Copper heat dissipation plate between your heat source and the cast iron will eliminate the central hot spots from happening and warping the vessel .

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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2020, 11:40:09 AM »
Cheryl I have one that spins cold,  but sets flat when warmed up! ;D
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Re: Regarding ‘General pan wobble’
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 11:06:16 PM »
Dwayne, at least I don't feel so alone! ;D ;D