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ysageev · « **on:** March 04, 2006, 07:41:05 AM »

I have a couple pans that have no markings other than "patent pending". They are a six-section cornbread skillet and a 4-section benedict pan with the basting square in the center. Are these made by Wagner?

Harry Riva · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2006, 03:27:01 PM »

Tough to say for sure without pictures but the benedict pan sound like the one Wagner made although the Red Book lists no markings for the one pictured. The Wagner pan has a squared off handle end and a thumb rest where the handle meets the skillet. Several corn bread skillets have the patent pending on them and the Lodge and Birmingham pans have been pictured on another thread recently but it is over on the members only "dark side" . I tend to doubt the corn bread skillet is Wagner if the patent pending is the only marking, but I can't say for sure.
Harry
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Dwayne Henson · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2006, 06:58:14 PM »

Without seeing it, The Corn Bread Skillet Pat Pending is probably a Birmingham Range and Stove. They were the original maker of this item, they had a patent pending, but never completed the process. Lodge copied the design but had a hole in the middle. The only Wagner Ware one I've seen was marked as such and did not have Pat Pending. It is almost an exact copy of the Birmingham one.

ysageev · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:19:35 AM »

Here are some photos. The Cornbread skillet and the Plette Pan do not have thumb rests on the handle, the bendict pan does.

Cornbread Skillet, back

ysageev · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:20:01 AM »

Cornbread Skillet, Front

ysageev · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:20:24 AM »

Benedict Pan, back

ysageev · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:20:49 AM »

Benedict pan, front

ysageev · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:21:21 AM »

Plette Pan, back

Steve_Stephens · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:42:44 AM »

Your "benedict" pan is pictured in the 1974 Griswold price sheet as a "Gormet Egg Cooker" and came with a glass cover. "Poach 4 eggs perfectly with tablespoons of water. Steam holding domed glass cover. Recipes with each cooker." $10.

ysageev · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2006, 12:54:57 AM »

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Your "benedict" pan is pictured in the 1974 Griswold price sheet as a "Gormet Egg Cooker" and came with a glass cover. "Poach 4 eggs perfectly with tablespoons of water. Steam holding domed glass cover. Recipes with each cooker." $10.

Thanks Steve. Is that price sheet in the blue book and is 10 clams what you would consider fair value at this time or was that the price then?

Steve_Stephens · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2006, 01:06:37 AM »

The price sheet is in my Griswold binder. After I get my scanner hooked up and learn to use it I should send it into WAGS for posting. $10 was the price then.

Steve

ysageev · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2006, 01:57:45 AM »

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The price sheet is in my Griswold binder. After I get my scanner hooked up and learn to use it I should send it into WAGS for posting. $10 was the price then.

Steve

So this is a Griswold then and not the Wagner listed on page 24 of the red book? I didn't think that was the pan since it lists it as "markings: none".

Scanner: we have a document scanner at work. Saves oodles of time. Just plop all your pages in and press go. A PDF appears in your documents folder. You can probably also take the binder into kinkos for scanning. Not sure of the prices....

ysageev · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2006, 04:01:05 AM »

BTW, Harry & Dwayne, much obliged for the info. Where can I get more info about Birmingham items? They don't seem to be as highly sought-after as wagner or griswold but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

One other thing: Who makes items that only say "Made in USA"? 8-)

ysageev · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2006, 04:03:38 AM »

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The price sheet is in my Griswold binder. After I get my scanner hooked up and learn to use it I should send it into WAGS for posting. $10 was the price then.

Steve

Also, some old friends of mine run a state-of-the-art industrial grade print shop. If you wanted to scan at high resolution and get them professionally printed and bound, let me know.

Roger Barfield · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:06:52 AM »

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BTW, Harry & Dwayne, much obliged for the info. Where can I get more info about Birmingham items? They don't seem to be as highly sought-after as wagner or griswold but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

One other thing: Who makes items that only say "Made in USA"? 8-)

Yair, there is some info and a great thread on Birmingham Stove and Range in the memebers only area. That cornbread pan is one of theirs. As far as the "Made in USA" only, sometimes an item was made by Wagner or Griswold for sale at retail stores like Sears, Wards, or at hardware stores and they didn't want the brand name on it, so they are unmarked. The "Made in USA" was put there to tell the country of origin and was required. ;)

Paul Beer · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:25:28 AM »

The plett pan is made by General House Wares and is the Griswold pattern that they acquired when the bought Wagner. I have one that has the Gris ghost logo on it.

ysageev · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2006, 10:57:38 AM »

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The plett pan is made by General House Wares and is the Griswold pattern that they acquired when the bought Wagner. I have one that has the Gris ghost logo on it.

Thanks for the awesome info, guys...

Is this a "ghost logo"? It is one of my cooking pans. It has a faint "ERIE" in raised letters:

Paul Beer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:00:24 AM »

Steve_Stephens · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:02:43 AM »

That's a ghost. Griswold reworked the Slant/Erie pattern so it became a Slant/EPU pattern. Maybe, when first modified, the old ERIE was not visible but, having been filled in with a softer material (I'm guessing on that) the fill-in gradually wore away some from having sand repeatedly packed against it. Ghosts are not uncommon and usually don't affect the value of a piece.

Steve

Steve_Stephens · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2006, 11:11:47 AM »

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So this is a Griswold then and not the Wagner listed on page 24 of the red book? I didn't think that was the pan since it lists it as "markings: none".

Yair, I think yours and the red book pan are the same. "Pat Pend" could be considered as 'no markings' or may just be another slightly different version. This pan could have been sold as either Griswold or Wagner by it was the old Wagner foundry who cast it. Both companies were owned by General Housewares Corp from 1969 to c.1996 and, as I have heard, Griswold and Wagner operated as separate offices right across the hallway from each other. I don't know why they would separate the two names yet have them under one company and foundry. Possibly because jobbers were used to carrying one or the other but not both from the older days. This way they could still buy Wagner or Griswold yet they really weren't much different in this period.

I have a new scanner I bought with my computer and just have to find a place to sit it and hook it up. Then I'll copy some sheets I have and send them to WAGS for this site.

Steve

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