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Offline Janis Berzins

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I need help with pricing
« on: February 03, 2016, 06:21:38 PM »
I have a student who's father heard I was into cast iron. He wants a few nice users. I have a 5 and 6 lodge 3 notch and an 8 no name, but nice skillet. I also have a #7 SK 3 notch USA. I think the 8 would be a better user for them than the 7, plus I sort of like it. I was thinking 50 for the 5, 6 and 8 all cleaned and seasoned. I would really appreciate opinions on this. Thanks in advance.

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 10:48:55 PM »
Hello Janis. I think fifty dollars for those three pieces cleaned and seasoned is a good price, for you and the buyer. If they are not satisfied with that, then I wouldn't worry about it.  :)

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2016, 11:47:42 PM »
I agree with Perry..that's a fair price for 3 good ready to use skillets.  ;)

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2016, 08:43:42 AM »
Thanks guys. Nice thing is no shipping for him and no Efees for me.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2016, 09:57:28 AM by jberzins »

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2016, 03:20:54 PM »
Thanks guys, I hope his wife appreciates them. I don't have much in them and I really don't collect Lodge anyway.

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2016, 06:55:59 PM »
Janis,

I am really glad to see this topic come up and would love to know how others set prices for items they sell. By way of transparency my current pricing strategy is described below.

For what it is worth, the $50 price point works for me too.

The handling times listed below are general values for me. The details show 5 scrubs per piece before seasoning. Not every piece has to be scrubbed 5 times - some are scrubbed more some are scrubbed less. And of course the time per scrub varies by the piece also.

handling time per skillet
5 mins mid-LB (1 scrub mid-LB to see where the piece stands)
5 mins post-LB (1 scrub post-LB to send the iron to the electro in a clean condition)
10 mins mid-electro (1 scrub averaging 5-10 mins )
10 mins post-electro (final scrub-and-dry - truthfully it is likely to be 15+ mins for the final scrub-and-dry)
10 mins pre-bake (warm skillet, apply oil, remove oil, remove oil, remove oil)
5 mins mid-bake (pull from oven, wipe dry again)
10 mins post 1st seasoning (apply oil, remove oil, remove oil, remove oil)
5 mins mid-bake#2 (pull from oven, wipe dry again)
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60 mins per/skillet cleaning time

administrative overhead if selling online
10 mins photograph (At a minimum I try to photograph before cleaning and after seasoning)
10 mins to catalog
10 mins to list for sale
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30 mins per item administrative overhead (not counting time to package)

I aim for $15/hour. That is an arbitrary number; you might aim for a higher or lower rate. Less seems like not enough, more seems... not exactly too much but not right either, especially for average iron.  Some pieces take less handling, but *at least as often* they take more handling. My price then becomes the cost of the skillet + handling + any mark-up that is appropriate because the market will pay it. A 3-notch Lodge is pretty much a run of the mill item while a Griswold EPU will command more.

For pricing purposes I try to stick with 90-mins total handling time even if the actual time varied. This is tricky because 1.5 hours at $15/hour is already $22.50 before adding in the cost of the piece. Sometimes I cannot justify $22.50 for a piece and choose to sell it for less. Other times I might be able to justify quite a bit more.  It doesn't take many $40 or $50 pieces to raise the average price of a bunch of sub-$22 pieces.

For your skillets, by my reckoning which might not apply to your methods, you have 3 hours of handling time (since you do not necessarily have to photograph, catalog, and list the skillets). Three hours at $15/hr that is $45. You did fine if you bought the three skillets for less than $5 but even if you paid more for them, you aren't taking a bath. Plus there is something to be said for offering volume discounts to your customers :-)

« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 07:00:05 PM by Lewisland »

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 06:56:13 PM »
Hello Lewis. Lewis you are a much better man than I am. If I had to keep track of everything the way you do, I don't think I would have time to do any cleaning. I've never seen this broken down like this before. You have it down finer than frog hair, and thats awful close you know.  :)

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 03:55:35 PM »
Perry,

I never knew about frog hair (!) and have to admit that I aspire to your understanding of many things -- cast iron related and beyond.

It isn't like I hit the stopwatch every time the scrubbie comes out. I restore quite a bit of lower-end iron. It became helpful to have a sense of how much handling time is involved on a piece by piece basis.

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If I had to keep track of everything the way you do, I don't think I would have time to do any cleaning.

For me it is pretty much the opposite. In full production mode I often have between 10 and 20 pieces somewhere in the cleaning circuit (21 pieces in process right now). On a good week I'll season 10 or more pieces. In my spare time, I try to figure ways to simultaneously improve quality while reducing handling time. The latest idea is to move the lye bath closer to sink or vice versa.  :-)  It might not improve quality per se but could save 1 to 2 mins 'travel time' per piece. If I can trim the handling time down from 60 to 30 mins/piece it would make a big difference.

I enjoy thinking about ways processing could be improved. The LB below is working great. It went into service just before Thanksgiving, holds up to 11 pieces and allows each to be removed with minimal disturbance of other pieces. That might not be a concern for someone else. When my only LB was a large tub I had to wrangle several pieces to get to the one I wanted to work on. I have an idea for a new electro but am having a hard time getting it put together.

After posting the handling time breakdown it dawned on me that other people might not track that sort of thing at all. In any case, for those who sell, I am interested in how others arrive at the prices they charge.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 03:57:00 PM by Lewisland »

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Re: I need help with pricing
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 01:43:46 PM »
Hello,
Thanks again guys. It made the buyer happy and I am happy as well. The only somewhat sad thing is that he had no interest in them in the least. I tried to talk to him about them and his response was pretty much, "She will love them". Oh well at least they will get used.