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Offline Mike Estrich

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Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« on: January 29, 2015, 06:02:35 PM »
My in-laws found this kettle while moving out of their house and I'm trying to find out more information on it. I will upload photos of it as well as some tracings that I used to identify markings. The bottom of the pot looks to be pitted, enough so that identifying it is not easy. I can make out "WAGNER" and the number "4", there also seems to be a word that looks like it begins with a "S" and ends in a "Y" in the pitted section. Any help on what it is and what it's worth would be greatly appreciated.

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Mike
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 06:31:04 PM »
Mike, we are going to need to see a picture with the markings on the bottom if you want more information. Wagner markings changed over time, so seeing them, no matter how worn, helps in identifying it.
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 07:00:13 PM »
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 07:00:41 PM »
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2015, 07:07:58 PM »
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Mike, we are going to need to see a picture with the markings on the bottom if you want more information. Wagner markings changed over time, so seeing them, no matter how worn, helps in identifying it.
Thank you Russell, My issue was that the 300 KB photo size limit was hindering my posting efficiency. I ran out of time before I had to leave the office...hopefully I have it covered now.  :)
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 01:28:05 AM »

Hi Mike,

I believe that this is a WAGNER Maislin Kettle, circa 1915 - 1924.
By virtue of the markings...  WAGNER
                                          SIDNEY
                                               O

I think I see a '4', which would indicate a 4 quart.

The bottom pitting makes it tough!

(Now I'd like to see what Russell thinks also, as I debated between this and Yankee Bowl, but the shape, and design features of  the tab over the ring look to be Maislin).

The lid is also Wagner. I suspect the lid may be a Dutch Oven Lid. The old Catalogs do not indicate that lids were ever produced for the Maislin Kettle.  So it would be a marriage.

Now I am seeing a strange surface texture, on both the kettle and the lid, that I saw on your Griswold 3 in 1 skillet and Lodge lid.  The texture is not normal for these pieces or for any Cast Iron cookware produced by Wagner and Griswold.   

It is not clear whether it may have been caused by acid exposure (e.g. too long of a soak in Vinegar solution), or some sort of abrasive used to clean them or ???

Given the age of these items, it is difficult to determine what may have happened to them in their lifetimes... many years ago.

Now, we can wait for Russell and others to stop by also!
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 07:18:46 AM »
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Now I am seeing a strange surface texture, on both the kettle and the lid, that I saw on your Griswold 3 in 1 skillet and Lodge lid.  The texture is not normal for these pieces or for any Cast Iron cookware produced by Wagner and Griswold. 

I noticed that too, Cheryl.
Hi Mike, welcome to the forum. Did you clean these pieces yourself, including the All-in-one skillet and lid,  or were they found this way?
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 07:52:09 AM »
Thank you Cheryl for taking the first stab at this one. I guess I'm having difficulty with seeing the surface damage and I don't know if it's my poor photography skills with an iphone that's causing it. I have two manufacturing clients who are casting companies. To me the surfaces resemble that of a fresh cast and the surface feels  very smooth, no inconsistencies in the metal. I have other clients that deal in secondary metal finishing processes who would be able to make these look brand new if I asked them to. If the surface isn't where you think it should be, what do you recommend to do for restoring/refurbishing the pieces? Is there someone who specializes in that? Other than the pitting on the bottom of the Wagner piece they look in really good shape to me. It seems odd that they would both have the same surface finish. I'm wondering if lack of use caused this? In other words does the metal have to be impregnated with oil on a regular basis? If I were to rub oil on them to bring back the original luster, what should I use? How does this impact the value? Does sanding them, using electrolisis or plating them increase or decrease the values? I would like to see them sell at top dollar for the value and I want the buyers to be excited about them. This is all new to me, and as I said over our eBay conversations, these literally were stored away in a closet for over 30 years without use or seeing the light of day. I just took pictures of them, no cleaning, seasoning etc. Could the finish issue just be due to a very fine, thin layer of rust?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Pleae help identify unknown Wagner kettle
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 08:00:25 AM »
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Now I am seeing a strange surface texture, on both the kettle and the lid, that I saw on your Griswold 3 in 1 skillet and Lodge lid.  The texture is not normal for these pieces or for any Cast Iron cookware produced by Wagner and Griswold. 

I noticed that too, Cheryl.
Hi Mike, welcome to the forum. Did you clean these pieces yourself, including the All-in-one skillet and lid,  or were they found this way?

They were found this way in a closet at my in-laws, I did nothing to them except take the picture. If any member is in/near Erie PA I'd be willing to show them in person to try to figure out the concern on the surface.

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