wich came first, turkey or the egg

[Dwayne Henson]

Perry I had forgotten about Eagle, and where is Loth foundry from?

Wagner has been making Skillets since 1891 and those first skillet handles are nothing like Erie skillets that Griswold was making. I have already listed what Wagner skillet I think that Clark's skillet was copied from. I have to ask, do you all really think that Griswold was making the patterns for Wagner's skillets? That Wagner never earned any of the awaards it recieved from national and international competitions, that Wagner was pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? That those awards really should have been given to Griswold since it was their patterns? Since we are on the public side; Should anyone placing Griswold on a Wagner Skillet EBay listing be cited for spamming as Griswold made the patterns that Wagner used? Cause we are crossing new ground if we are saying that Griswold made Wagner's older patterns.

[C. Perry Rapier]

Perry I had forgotten about Eagle, and where is Loth foundry from?

Wagner has been making Skillets since 1891 and those first skillet handles are nothing like Erie skillets that Griswold was making. I have already listed what Wagner skillet I think that Clark's skillet was copied from.

I have to ask, do you all really think that Griswold was making the patterns for Wagner's skillets? No


That Wagner never earned any of the awaards it recieved from national and international competitions, that Wagner was pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? I don't believe Wagner was pulling the wool over anybodys eyes, and I also believe that they earned those awards.

That those awards really should have been given to Griswold since it was their patterns? No, don't believe that either.


Since we are on the public side; Should anyone placing Griswold on a Wagner Skillet EBay listing be cited for spamming as Griswold made the patterns that Wagner used? No, don't believe that either.

Cause we are crossing new ground if we are saying that Griswold made Wagner's older patterns.No, I'm not saying that.

[Clark Rader]

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[Harry Riva]

I think Clark's skillet had to be made using another skillet as a pattern. I also have always struggled with the premise that patterns were sold back and forth. I just can't see a foundry saying " we don't make this skillet any more so what should we do with the patterns? I think we should give them to another foundry to use," I just don't think so.  And I don't think Griswold or Wagner were the least bit interested in helping out a competitor unless there was a significant return and there wouldn't be such on selling a foundry one of your patterns. Just MO.

I also think the question is easy to answer. Take a skillet that has a ghost from another foundry and measure it and compare it to one of the original foundries skillets. Same size means same pattern. Smaller size for the ghosted piece means a skillet was used as a pattern for the ghosted piece. Sad to say that with all of the skillets I have I don't have a foundry B skillet with a foundry A ghost but someone out there has one and can do what i think is an acid test.
Harry

PS and Loth foundry was and still may be in Waynesboro Va.. If it's still there I think it's operating as Virginia Metalcrafters.

[Dwayne Henson]

I have changed my mind about Wagner and Ghostmarks. From everything I can find Wagner never won any awards for their cast iron cookware. All the awards Wagner bragged about were for their aluminum ware. We know that Sidney Hollow Ware used  Erie skillets as a master pattern, due to the ERIE ghosts and them being a smaller size. (One of the Sidney Hollow Ware skillets in the 4th ED BB even has an ERIE ghostmark). Wagner bought Sidney. Maybe Wagner used those patterns Sidney had made from an ERIE skillet? Or did Wagner make it's own? Did Wagner later sold those now twice marked patterns to Wapak, or did Wapak to save some money use a Wagner with an ERIE ghostmarked skillet for a master pattern?? I would love to go to a convention, where there would be sets of ERIE skillets, and every ghostmarked skillet we could find, and then do a lot of measuring, comparing and maybe from that a theory could come together. In the late 1800's Griswold won awards for their cast iron cookware, maybe the others thought if they are the best we'll copy them??  
 
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