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ysageev

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2006, 11:15:47 PM »
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Maybe you folks should start up a course in elect cleaning for dumb dumbs like me,
Thanks for everyones help, Preston

Preston,

When I first was setting up my electro, I thought I'd get real smart and use an existing arc welder instead.  Heck, I would be getting 220 amps in comparison to everyone else's piddling 40 amps.  Of course, I just assumed arc welders were DC.

Turns out I had an AC arc welder and ended boiling 50 gallons of water for 3 days trying to figure out the problem.  

I'm saying this, Preston, to let you know that you haven't hit rock bottom yet.  I am the king of the dumb dumb pit, and nobody challenges my dominance.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 08:41:54 PM »
I made progress today I got a stainless steel plate from the junk yard. They didn't try to recycle me either. To old and rusty. Tomorrow will put together and get with the program. Can't wait to get this thing going right. Ok Yair I won't challenge you but can I be your 2nd in command LOL?

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 08:55:23 PM »
Preston   What stainless did you get?  I don't know the difference in stainless but there is some that is  what you do not want to use.  I know that food quality stainless is what is the kind that you want. And I don't know of what other there is of the good quality stainless that you want.  I know that some turn the water into a hazardious waste that you don't want to deal with.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2006, 11:20:09 PM »
Paul:
I don't know what Kind of stainless steel I purchased. I didn't know there were different kinds but it makes sense. I know that something turned my water yellow once so I dumped it, Don't tell the EPA. I have had stainless steel bolts and nuts corrode badly.
  I am in the process of welding a flat 1" by 1/4 " strap steel to a 19' x 19" 1/8 " thick piece of stainless steel plate, covered by a plastic grate.

  I will clamp this to the side of the barrel, this will be my pos side.
I then hook up the neg side to the piece to be cleaned. and hang it close to the pos side. All the crud will fall to the bottom of the barrel out of the way.
  Does this sound like it would work. Someone please say yes, that thing between my ears hurts when I think to much!

  Enclosed drawing and yes I am not a pro.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2006, 11:37:27 PM »
Preston, that looks like a good drawing for a butter churn, but yes it'll work. I was fortunate enough to find long pieces of SS about 14 inches wide. They just stuck right up out of the barrel. I just used a plastic clamp and and clamped it againt the wall of the barrel and then put the red cable to the SS and I was good to go. Then hang your piece to be cleaned down from a rod that lays across the barrel, a plastic barrel now.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2006, 11:55:09 PM »
Thanks Perry:
 If I start making butter churns could I make a living, on second though don't answer that. Now if I would of bought one of those barrels you had, Is it to late to cry over spilled barrels. I went to several junk yards in the area and no barrels, in fact they looked at me a like I was a little funny. On place said he had never seen a stainless barrel other than a beer keg. Now if that GREAT BARREL King would fly over my house and kick one out would be fine.

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ysageev

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2006, 02:20:51 AM »
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Preston, that looks like a good drawing for a butter churn, but yes it'll work.

A butter churn drawn by John Madden during NFL Sunday.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2006, 09:24:03 AM »
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  I will clamp this to the side of the barrel, this will be my pos side.
I then hook up the neg side to the piece to be cleaned. and hang it close to the pos side. All the crud will fall to the bottom of the barrel out of the way.
  Does this sound like it would work. Someone please say yes, that thing between my ears hurts when I think to much!

Preston, What's to stop you from putting two of these positives in your barrel & connect them so that the piece to be cleaned is sandwiched.  Wouldn't this do both sides at the same time?

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2006, 10:15:33 AM »
Thanks Jim:
I'm off to the junk yard again. With Perry and you saying the same thing thats what I'm going to do.
  I wonder if there is a cast iron butter churn. Remember Yair I'm still 2nd in command.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2006, 08:21:37 PM »
I am putting the CI piece to be cleaned about 2 " from the side of the iron barrel and my amps are right at 40. Suzie, thats a good idea, will go out and reposition the piece being cleaned.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2006, 08:59:00 AM »
Just a couple of item for ever what they are worth.

I bought one of the Sears 71230 chargers last spring (decided to put the DC Arc Welder aside).

Works fine, but I had the light burn out in the meter.  It's on warranty but I didn't want to be without it for a couple weeks.

Took the lid off (two easy screws on top) and found that the bulb is a standard automotive 12 volt mini bulb.  The number is 168 and you buy them in any car parts store.  It just pops in and out of a socket right up on top.  

And what else did I see inside?  Mostly hot air with a transformer sitting on the very bottom.


Regarding the amps, I have found that you need to be sure the charger clamps are making good contact.  Just wiggle and scrape them around a bit.  Also if the water is real cold the amperage is lower.   I've sometimes kicked up to the 200 amp setting and watched the meter to get it up to 20 amps on some pieces.

I also get a white powdery deposit on the clamps and hooks I have pieces hanging on.  I think it is the soda.  I'll scrape it off to make sure there is good contact.

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2006, 10:41:55 AM »
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I am putting the CI piece to be cleaned about 2 " from the side of the iron barrel and my amps are right at 40. Suzie, thats a good idea, will go out and reposition the piece being cleaned.

Preston

Preston, something is wrong here. Are you saying you are using an iron barrel, stainless steel sheets, and the piece to be cleaned, and that the stainless steel sheets and the item to be cleaned and the donor piece are all in the iron barrel. That don't sound right at all.  :-/
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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2006, 10:20:54 PM »
Perry: I not sure what I said, my  wife dosen't know what I said my children don't know what I said. My two donkeys understand me just fine LOL. I have an iron barrel full of the soup. My plus side is hooked up to the barrel and the piece to be cleaned is suspended with the help of a 2x4 with a hole in it so the rod attached to the piece being cleaned goes through the 2x4 clamped off with a pair of vice grips. I don't have any other metal in the barrel other than the piece being cleaned and the metal clamped to it holding it from touching the sides and bottom of barrel.
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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2006, 10:51:00 PM »
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Perry: I not sure what I said, my  wife dosen't know what I said my children don't know what I said. My two donkeys understand me just fine LOL. I have an iron barrel full of the soup. My plus side is hooked up to the barrel and the piece to be cleaned is suspended with the help of a 2x4 with a hole in it so the rod attached to the piece being cleaned goes through the 2x4 clamped off with a pair of vice grips. I don't have any other metal in the barrel other than the piece being cleaned and the metal clamped to it holding it from touching the sides and bottom of barrel.

Preston, that sounds better and that'll work, HOWEVER, you are going to have the same problem that Michelle had when she done the same thing you are doing. As your setup works, it is eating away the barrel because the barrel is the donor piece, and so it will eat a hole in the barrel and your soup will become poop on the floor of wherever it is sitting. For that very reason you need a plastic barrel and then put the SS in and let it be the donor piece. Anyway, what you are doing will work, but it will only work without leaking until the process eats away the barrel.

I would say that eventually the big SS barrels that I sold folks will eat away and leak, however the SS is so thick and of good quality that it actually resists rust, like its supposed to anyway, so I don't know how long one will last. But unless your metal barrel is super thick it will not last long. Just giving you my thoughts. Good luck, the main thing is you got a system and if it is working that is 99.99%. The rest that people talk about on here are merely modifications to make it work faster, bigger, and better, but getting it working is the main thing.  ;)

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Re: Manual battery charger
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2006, 11:20:40 PM »
Perry:
It is working but every time I think I have it figured out then something does different and I get different amp readings. the cleaner I get and keep my plus and minus contacts  the higher my amp reading, as the piece gets clean the amp reading goes down and when it gets to around 5 or lower I start looking to remove it. I have my barrel outside and if it leaks I hope its a good fertlizer. I probably put the steel barrel inside a plastic to keep the soup if it leaks. Now these are all things I have learned from WAGS.

Thanks Preston
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