Griswold Plett Pan?

[g0028069]

This pan does not look quite right.  Other No. 34s I have seen have not had the P/N.  Also the TM looks strange.  Any thoughts?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-GRISWOLD-Cast-Plett-Pan-No-34_W0QQitemZ6220435291QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Steve_Stephens]

Brik, you've been looking at the Wagner made "Griswold" plett pans if there is no pattern number.   Come to think of it, did Wagner even make the Griswold plett pans?  Maybe not.  This large TM plett pan is one of the nicer ones and not too common and, yes, it is genuine Griswold.  There are a number of variations and all have a pattern number if they were made in Erie by Griswold.  This pan is c.1925-40.  There is also a slant TM pan, a milled bottom plett pan for electric ranges, and a few made for other companies.

Steve

[g0028069]

Thanks for the information Steve.  I saw a Griswold plett pan on Ebay with a Sandvik Saw & Tool logo.  The P/N (2980)was in the center of the pan and not offset like the above pan.  Was this possibly a Wagner made pan?  Is there a way to distinguish the Wagner made pan (c. 1957) from the Griswold pan?  What features are apparent on the earlier Griswold pan?  

[Greg Stahl]

Brik,
The Sandvik Saw and Tool plett pan was made by Griswold for this company.  Several plett pans were made by Griswold for other companies and these are shown in Jon Haussler's book "Griswold Muffin Pans".

There are not 'absolute' rules to demonstrate a WW pan from a Griswold pan.  As a rule of thumb you can be sure it was made by Griswold if it has ERIE on it with the Griswold TM.  But not all Griswold pans have ERIE and not all are marked GRISWOLD either.  There is a lot to learn and I like to recommend that everyone gets the RED and BLUE book, as well as Haussler's book as reference guides.  It takes time to learn, but just ask questions here and get the books and you'll be well on your way!!

[Tom Neitzel]

There was a No. 34, 2980A plett pan on eBay within the last 10 days that I can't find now that I would think had a pretty good chance of being made by Wagner.  It was marked like any other Griswold piece, nothing unique on the iron, but the box that was with it had a Sidney, OH address.

That Sandvik Saw pan sure went cheap.  Buyer got a great buy on an uncommon item.

Tom

Found the auction I was looking for.  Note the small trademark and skinny letters for the No. 34.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-GRISWOLD-Early-American-Cast-Plett-Pan-Original-B_W0QQitemZ6219029410QQcategoryZ976QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's hard to read so I've asked the seller what it says.

Seller confirmed it does say Sidney, OH.

[Steve_Stephens]

As a rule of thumb Griswold pieces always have a pattern number after c.1891 and may be marked ERIE.  That small TM plett pan I can not see a pattern number so that would say "Sidney".  The small TM and small print is exactly what Griswold used on their later pans for many years.  If a Sidney made piece has a pattern number it's really a catalog number (not much difference really) and I don't think the Sidney made Griswold style pieces used the same number as did the Erie made pieces.  There may be some that did use the same number but can't think of any now.

Steve

[g0028069]

Tom,
I tried to pick up the Sandvik pan cheap, but I let $$ get in the way.  I guess I should have been a little bit more free with the cash.  I hoped that no one was watching.

Steve,
Thanks for the help.  So will the Griswold pieces have the small TM and erie or erie Pa. USA?  Who might have made this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6218846300&fromMakeTrack=true

Greg,
I have a blue book and L-W books.  This a hobby out of control.  I spent less time studying in college. ;)  

[Steve_Stephens]

Brik, get to studying those iron books.  Term paper is due soon.  Hopefully you will  learn more than you did in college.

"Made in USA" almost always denotes a piece made c.1960 or later.  Griswold did not mark any pieces that way nor did Wagner before they and Griswold joined up in 1957.  That plett pan was made in the Wagner foundry-don't know the exact date but probably later 1960's.

Small TM Griswold pieces are (always?) marked with ERIE, PA and not with ERIE or ERIE, PA. USA.  There may be a few exceptions however but can't think of any now.  What about the small TM breakfast skillet?  The toy No.0 skillet has the large TM, by the way, and it is smaller than the small TM.  It's the design, style, etc. of the TM that determine which it is.  The small TM doesn't vary (with an exception or two-square toy skillet for one- while the large TM does vary in size and somewhat in proportion.

Steve