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how old is my newly acquired griswold dutch oven
Sep 22nd, 2017 at 10:12pm
 
Just picked this up on craigslist and was hoping someone can help me determine its age and rough value.  Might have to snap a few more pictures and it certainly needs a good cleaning!

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Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2017 at 11:38pm
 
Your piece is a Baster Top and a Dutch Oven bottom. The bottom is heavily pitted so that counts against it a whole bunch. I don't know how the inside bottom looks or the underside of the lid. Those count for value as well. Hope that helps.
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:12am
 
C. Perry Rapier wrote on Sep 22nd, 2017 at 11:38pm:
Your piece is a Baster Top and a Dutch Oven bottom. The bottom is heavily pitted so that counts against it a whole bunch. I don't know how the inside bottom looks or the underside of the lid. Those count for value as well. Hope that helps.


Thanks for the info.  I'll try to get some more pictures as I clean it up.  The bottom of the base was really the only spot with any pitting or "damage".  I didnt even realize it wasnt a matched set.  So what would a baster bottom look like; and what would a dutch oven top look like (besides the obvious of being marked as such!)

What about an approximate age?
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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 3:09am
 
Them being marked as such is the only difference. As for age the Blue Book puts them being made between 1920 and 1950. These came in sizes 6,7,8,9,10,11, 12, and 13.
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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 3:43pm
 
C. Perry Rapier wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 3:09am:
Them being marked as such is the only difference. As for age the Blue Book puts them being made between 1920 and 1950. These came in sizes 6,7,8,9,10,11, 12, and 13.



Thanks for the info.  Thats about what I was able to figure out so far.

So whats the difference between the two from a cooking standpoint?

Is there any way to lock in closer to an actual age based on the markings and the trademark/logos?  I've seen lots of images of the "large block logo" and the "slant logo" etc which seems to be an indicator of certain items.  The biggest thing about my piece that confuses me is the bottom of the dutch oven.  Its marked "the griswold mfg co."  "cast iron" "tite top dutch oven" "Erie, PA USA" "patd mar 16 20"(?...not sure on the number) and then 26D3 (again not quite certain on the number).

I havent seen any other images that have "The Griswold Mfg Co" listed above everything else.  And does the fact that it lists "Erie, PA USA" as opposed to just "erie" or "Erie, PA" give any clue to an age?
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Reply #5 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 11:56pm
 
Personally, I don't cook with my collectable iron, but there shouldn't be any difference using a piece that calls itself a "baster" compared to using an otherwise-identical-down-to-the-pattern-number piece that calls itself a "dutch oven."  I don't know why Griswold changed the wording, but just like Perry said, that's absolutely all that they changed.  (Well, eventually they started putting easy-clean black coating on the undersides of the lid, and they stopped casting tabs into the lid, but that didn't happen until after they had already made the change in nomenclature. And older Basters with the slant logo had a much flatter lid rather than a domed lid.)

Later pieces mostly said "Erie, PA, U.S.A" instead of just "ERIE."  I think that change happened sometime in the early- to mid-twenties.  And there are variants that have a different arrangement of the printing and the patent date, but I think most of those are older slant-logo EPU ovens.  Your combo is mismatched, but it may have come that way from the factory.  Consensus has it that if they had a bunch of one type of lid to use up soon after having made the baster/DO change, they just cast new-name DO bottoms and sold them with old-name baster lids, or vice versa. Since there was no functional difference, nobody cared until much later when maniacs like us started collecting this stuff.  I'd guess that your piece could be from the mid-thirties to the late forties, but I can't peg it any more specifically than that.  The 5th ed. blue book (The Book of Griswold and Wagner by Smith and Wafford; get one if you want to start collecting Griswold) says 1920-1950, actually.

2603 was the pattern number for the size 7 Dutch Oven (or Baster) bottom.  That's just the manufacturer's number for sake of keeping track of that exact piece (or more accurately, the pattern used to cast it) in the foundry or the warehouse, in whatever iteration it was currently being cast in.  The lid should have a 2604 on the bottom side of it.  March 16, 1920 was just the date that the patent application for the locking bail was granted.  If you want to look up more information, go to the US patent office's website and research patent no. 1,333,917.  As far as having the company name on the top and the description of the piece below that... that's perfectly normal for Griswold's Dutch Ovens.  This isn't any odd variant.  They did the opposite for the skillets and griddles -- "Cast Iron Skillet" or what-have-you was on top and the company info was near the bottom, on the other side of the logo.  I couldn't tell you why they did it that way, or even if they thought twice about it, as long as they were getting saleable and useable hollowware on the market.  Several collectors have said that the only thing consistent about Griswold was its inconsistency.

A size 7 is a little more rare than a size 9, and a size 8 is rather common.  The pitting hurts the value, and that's doubly true if the inside is also rough.   

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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 11:59pm
 
Let me amend one thing I just post... looking at the handle style in your photos, you may have the flatter lid here.  I can't tell for absolute certain from a top-down view, but that's not a newer-style handle, so it may also be a flatter old-style lid, too.

Sorry.  When I'm typing the post, I can't see the photos on the screen...
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Reply #7 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
I'm surprised its not a bit easier to use the trademarks to help lock in an age.  Oh well. 

Started to clean it all up and its coming along nicely.  The cooking surface looks to be in good shape; and the only pitting is on the very bottom of the dutch oven.

Heres a few more shots as I got to inspect it better:


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Reply #8 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 5:13pm
 
After a little cleaning and rust removal:


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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
I think there has been discussions on the forum years ago about miss-matched dutch oven lids and pots.  If the blue book is correct, the basters are Circa 1920 and the tite top ovens are Circa 1920-1950. 
One conclusion that was drawn about a Baster lid on a Tite Top pot was the company more than likely had a mismatched inventory of pots and lids in 1920. When they changed to Tite Top pots, they possibly used up what Baster lids they had in inventory on Tite Top pots.
If that is true?... then a miss-matched set could be original.
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Reply #10 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 10:39pm
 
Adam Hoagland wrote on Sep 24th, 2017 at 11:59pm:
Let me amend one thing I just post... looking at the handle style in your photos, you may have the flatter lid here.  I can't tell for absolute certain from a top-down view, but that's not a newer-style handle, so it may also be a flatter old-style lid, too.

Sorry.  When I'm typing the post, I can't see the photos on the screen...


Do the additional photos help determine anything about that lid?

So whats a rough price estimate of what I got here?  Is this a $10 piece or a $100 piece? 
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Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 12:13am
 
Now that I can see it edge-on, that's definitely the flatter, or "low dome," style lid.  That vocabulary gets thrown around a lot more for skillet covers than for dutch oven lids, but it's the same idea -- the more recent ones had a far greater degree of curvature when viewed edge-on than the earlier ones did.  Just don't call it a "flat" lid -- that was an even older style with the DO's from the turn of the (previous) century which were marked ERIE and predated the cross logo.  The true "flat" lids were barely curved at all.

Price is a touchy issue.  Compared to reality, Dutch ovens tend to be under-priced in the blue book, if you ask me.  If it weren't for the pitting, provided there are no cracks and no warp... (it's tough to tell from your picture, but it looks like there's either minimal or no warp on this oven...)

I'll take a stab in the dark and say that, if this item in this cleaned condition was offered at a cast-iron sale populated primarily by people who already collected and were familiar with hollowware, it might max out at forty or fifty dollars with the pitting.  I can see somebody buying it for the lid, if they need one.  But I'm going to warn you that my knowledge of what iron is bringing at live auction is pretty out-of-date, since I've been pretty dry myself on purchases of late, and I never have really been a seller.  I can say that, speaking for myself only, the pitting and the mismatch rules it out as a potential bid even if I was buying iron again.  (Not to mention I already own a Block logo No. 7 DO with matching lid.) 

It would probably sell better at a sale that wasn't populated by collectors, if somebody who wasn't that picky paid more just for the name.  But, if the market is high right now, and for all I know it could be, then who knows where it would go?  I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions.
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Reply #12 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 2:17am
 
You have a thirty five dollar piece. That inside bottom and the lid are perfect. If it was all perfect it would be eighty dollars all day long. Those are my opinions. Others may have their own opinions.
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Reply #13 - Sep 27th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
Was hoping to hear it might be worth a bit more.....but I paid $35 exactly so at least I didnt overpay!
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