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Sep 3rd, 2017 at 10:18pm
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while she was on her daily walk around the country lane, said some new people had moved into a house on the lane, that there was a big cast iron POT at the driveway with a "FREE to GOOD HOME sign on it. Since she knows my desire to collect CI at a good price, decided she would let me know. 5 Minutes later ( after confirming with the owner ) I tossed the following (pics ) into the back of the PU. Big crack,  but it is obviously an old kettle that deserves some TLC, so will brush and clean it, probably just paint it, will put some bolted cross supports on the crack, but open to all suggestions and sme idea of its background???
  

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I don't mean to be mean, but I'd take it back. If the owner wanted to do all of  that stuff to try to put that piece back on its feet I'd let them, but I sure would not do it, its not worth it. IMO of course
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:50pm
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I would drill a 3/8 to 1/2 inch hole at the end of the crack and a bolt a 1/2" wide by 3" long plate just under the eye where it starts then 3 or 4 more holes in the bottom  for drains and plant flowers in it No Clean up or Paint Just good old Pacific North West Patina
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I normally cringe when I see cast iron used as a flower pot, but that might be the only fate left for this one. And I say "might" because I would explore every option before resigning it to the flower bed.

First, I would clean it up as best as I could. Who knows, after you clean it up, you might find another use for it. Maybe bring it indoors, put a table top on it and make a card table out of it. Or a TV stand. Or make it into a cool storage bin for all the junk in the mud room. Endless possibilities!

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Well, being as I am RETIRED, and IT WAS FREE, a little elbow grease for clean-up, and some minor repairs to arrest that crack ( thanks keith for the end of the crack drill hole - forgot that little piece of engineering knowledge ). I don't for-see anything more than planter/yard art, BUT Come-On , PERRY, I'll get $35+ for it at my annual garage sale next summer, plus I get to admire it for a year... see how easy I am to keep occupied!
Two gate marks on the bottom, and the number???  odd size ring ends on the eyes, anybody with foundry/age details just to satisfy my curiosity???
  
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Thks for the great ideas Spurgeon, really started me thinking... coat tree base, swivel TV stand is real possibility, or how about a base for a Cast Iron pot and pan hanging tree???
  
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Do you know a good welder that owes you a favor?
  
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Dwayne Henson wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Do you know a good welder that owes you a favor?


As many years as I have been involved in cast iron cookware I have always HEARD about cast iron cookware welders BUT, I have never seen a welded piece nor have I EVER met a cast iron cookware welder. They are like elves. Everybody talks about them, everybody knows there are there, but you just never see them. OR you hear about a man that knew a man that knew a man that knew a cast iron welder's brother. But that's as close as I ever got.
  
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I have a guy down the street that can weld cast iron. He put a handle back on a Sidney 11.
  
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Just reading on how to weld CI brought $ signs floating across my eyes.. have several friends who were professional welders and I dont even want to ask them... just going to band it and give my creative inspiration time to work... say, 10-15 yrs.. Halloween coming up, some dry ice and a witch stirring the pot on the front walk...Hmmmm.
  
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Don't know why this is always such a mystery! No one ever believes me. Find a good car restoration or racing shop. They weld very expensive engine blocks all the time. The block in my 1961 Jaguar had a chunk broken out, fixed for $75 & I'm still racing it. Actually "weld" isn't the right word, "brazing" would be more correct. My race shop put a handle back on a Erie skillet & only a fine line of the brazing shows. Also the hinge on a waffle iron. I touch it up with high-temp paint about once a year, because I cook with it & my hand wears off the paint. For display, a fine line of paint over the braze would last fine. I'd have that pot looking pretty on my front porch in a heartbeat!
  
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Hello Susan. You are very fortunate to have access to a welder who can do all the wonderful things you describe in welding. A person who can do all this is rare indeed. Good for you. ME, I have never seen a person who can do all of that. I guess they just know how to weld where you are from.
  
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C. Perry Rapier wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:10pm:
I guess they just know how to weld where you are from.


Now Perry...We know how to do a lot of things up here in South Jersey...now that doesn't sound quite right...up here in south Jersey...oh well you get the idea. Tongue
  
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Check with the local speed shop. Not as esoteric as you all assume.
  
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Your info on having a " Speed Shop" weld it sounds absolutely rock solid, and I will look into it. The fact the you still race a 61 Jaguar however gives away the " method of your madness"!

  
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Susan Salsburg wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:17pm:
Check with the local speed shop. Not as esoteric as you all assume.


OH yea, SURE, 'the local speed shop' Grin
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 10:52am
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In my other life when I worked, I had Maintenance men who welded a variety of broken or cracked Cast iron parts on various machinery that worked very well.

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What's the deal Perry? You live in a town with no fast cars? You're not that far from Eldora Speedway and Lockwood up in Celina has a good rep. I can just see you in a pretty little dirt car with Wags logos.
  
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Funny thing about Eldora Susan. I knew the man that owed Eldora. But I never went there to a race. Now that man has died and Tony Stewart owns the place. I guess I'm just not a 'motor head'. I'm sure we have people around here who can weld cast iron and such, but I surely don't know of any such person.
  
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Here's a gas weld on a goose-necked bottom-gated that I gave $5.00 for at a blazing hot country auction on a hillside (with all the CI laid out on two hay wagons). Back in the day, Dad, his brother, and a family friend all ran inline Chevy's with split manifolds, so somebody was blocking them off.
  

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That is so ugly. A good braze would just be a thin brassy colored line.
  
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Hello Terry, what does 'somebody was blocking them off ,mean? I've no clue what that means.  Undecided
  
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Hello Perry, in the old days an alternative to buying pricey aftermarket cast iron exhaust headers for a six-cylinder inline engine was to take a cutting torch and burn a hole in one end of the stock exhaust manifold, weld on a new outlet utilizing a flange cabbaged from something else, then a blocking plate would be welded in somewhere within the manifold to redirect half of the exhaust gas to that new outlet (sorry, but I don't know that much about it). The resulting racket was something different than that produced by headers and from what I heard growing up, Chevys for some reason had their unique sound. As much as anything, it was a way for kids with little $$$ to get around pricey speed shop equipment.
  
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C. Perry Rapier wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
Dwayne Henson wrote on Sep 5th, 2017 at 6:58pm:
Do you know a good welder that owes you a favor?


As many years as I have been involved in cast iron cookware I have always HEARD about cast iron cookware welders BUT, I have never seen a welded piece nor have I EVER met a cast iron cookware welder. They are like elves. Everybody talks about them, everybody knows there are there, but you just never see them. OR you hear about a man that knew a man that knew a man that knew a cast iron welder's brother. But that's as close as I ever got.


Hey Perry this is what you get when a NASCAR trackside welder stops in to visit and you have a proken paddle laying on the bench Cheesy.  Wyatt Swaim is a good friend and customer at the shop for machine work.  Owns http://www.tigdepot.net/
  

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Now that is one fine repair. We all need to have a welder like that as a friend.
  
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The repair looks like it has been brazed. And it has been brazed with iron that is of another color so you can see that repair a mile away. And the repair sticks up and away.

If this piece was being brazed so it could be put back in service then I will say this welder did a great job and I applaud his work. However this piece was not welded so it could be put back in service, was it?

As for fixing a piece that is a showpiece I don't think the work is all that good at all. I don't mean to be mean and throw off on this guys work, but I sure don't see anything to brag about.
  
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C. Perry Rapier wrote on Sep 15th, 2017 at 10:52pm:
The repair looks like it has been brazed. And it has been brazed with iron that is of another color so you can see that repair a mile away. And the repair sticks up and away.

If this piece was being brazed so it could be put back in service then I will say this welder did a great job and I applaud his work. However this piece was not welded so it could be put back in service, was it?

As for fixing a piece that is a showpiece I don't think the work is all that good at all. I don't mean to be mean and throw off on this guys work, but I sure don't see anything to brag about.


It was tig welded with nickle rod.He welded to get enough penetration to hand finish to match the piece. He used very minimal heat as not to cause a major issue with the iron weakening or cracking. I did the bottom side but never did the top left it as welded
  
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The number visible in the lower left picture (30G) could be the size of the pot, as in 30 gallons.  The double gate mark may have been created by using two different gates in the mold, one for one side, and the other for the other, to insure that the molten iron was evenly distributed.  I have a similarly sized pot that also has the double gate.  This is mere conjecture on my part, but seems plausible upon second thought.
  
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I have been in the shipyard for 40 years and I have seen the best welders come and go, and that pot can be welded by a good welder with NI-ROD which is nickel based and designed for welding cast iron. Wink Is it worth it, not in my opinion.
  
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